THIS IS DETECTIVE MIKE ALLEN OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPT TODAY'S DATE IS 06-16-93 PRESENTLY IN THE DETECTIVE DIVISION WITH BRANDY WILSON WHO 12 YEARS OLD AND MOTHER PENNY CUMMINGS THEY RESIDE AT 616 BAYLOR IN WEST MEMPHIS, AR. IT HAS BE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FROM ANOTHER OFFICER DON BRAY THAT YOU MAY HAVE KNOWLEDGE IN REFERNECE TO THIS HOMICIDE THAT WERE WORKING INVOLVING THE BYERS, BRANCH AND, MOORE. THE TIME IS NOW 3:00 P.M. BRANDY IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN TO ME I UNDERSTAND YOU OVER HEARD OR HEARD A CONVERSATION AT THE SKATING RINK HERE WEST MEMPHIS CAN YOU EXACTLY WHO IT WAS YOU OVER HEARD AND WHAT YOU OVER HEARD?
WILSON - DAMIEN ECHOLS WAS SITTING NEXT TO ME AND MY SISTER WAS SITTING NEST ME ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT SHE WAS NOT LISTENING, SHE WAS TALKING TO HER OTHER FRIEND AND I WAS LISTENING TO HIS CONVERSATION AND HIM AND JASON WERE SITTING AT THE TABLE TOGETHER WITH
ALLEN - OKAY WHEN DO YOU
WILSON - DOMINICK, DOMINICK, AND JASON'S GIRL FRIEND I THINK
ALLEN - OKAY JASON WHO ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY JASON?
WILSON - I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BOYS WHO DID IT, BUT HE LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM, TERRY TOLD ME JASON MY SISTER DID.
ALLEN - OKAY, AND THIS DAMIEN DID YOU KNOW OF HIS NAME ALSO?
WILSON - YEAH, BECAUSE I HEARD IT FROM JENNIFER (INAUDIBLE) SHE TOLD ME AT SCHOOL AND STUFF.
ALLEN - OKAY, UH, I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN THE TV AND NEWSPAPERS THIS PERSON YOUR REFERRING TO AS JASON AND THIS PERSON YOU ARE REFERRING TO A DAMIEN HAVE YOU SEEN THEM ON TV OR IN THE NEWSPAPERS?
WILSON - (INAUDIBLE)
ALLEN - OKAY IS THIS THE SAME
WILSON - DAMIEN ECHOLS I KNEW WHO HE WAS BEFORE THEY EVEN SHOWED HIS NAME ON THE SCREEN IT SHOWED 3 PICTURES AND MY MOM ASK ME WHICH ONE WAS IT AND I POINTED IT OUT BEFORE IT EVEN SHOWED HIS NAME?
ALLEN - WHAT COLOR HAIR DID THE ONE HAVE THAT YOUR CALLING DAMIEN?
WILSON - BLACK
ALLEN - AS FAR AS YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF CLOTHING HE WAS WEARING THAT NIGHT?
WILSON - I DON'T REMEMBER, HE WAS WEARING DARK CLOTHING AND HE HAD ON A DEVIL SIGN NECKLACE
ALLEN - GO AHEAD WITH WHAT YOU HEARD?
WILSON - WE WERE SITTING DOWN THERE AND DOMINICK WAS SITTING NEXT TO HIM, I WAS SITTING HERE IN THE CHAIRS ARE ARRANGED TO WHERE THERE'S LIKE FOUR HALF OF A CHAIR
ALLEN - ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A TABLE?
WILSON - NO IT WAS A ROUND TABLE, ITS A ROUND TABLE
ALLEN - OKAY ITS A ROUND TABLE
WILSON - YEAH
ALLEN - DOES IT HAVE CHAIRS LIKE THIS?
WILSON - YEAH, AND MY SISTER WAS SITTING HERE, AND SOMEONE WAS STANDING HERE AND MY SISTER WAS TALKING TO THAT PERSON AND THEM I WAS SITTING HERE AND DAMIEN SITTING LIKE RIGHT HERE EXCEPT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, DAMIEN SITTING HERE AND DOMINICK WAS SITTING HERE AND I GUESS JASON WAS SITTING HERE AND HIS GIRLFRIEND AND THEN SOME OTHER PEOPLE WERE TURN AROUND AT THE OTHER TABLES THAT ARE OVER HERE
ALLEN - OKAY, NOW THIS, ARE THIS ISN'T OUT BY THE FLOOR THIS IS UP NEAR THE POOL TABLE AND REFRESHMENT STAND AREA
WILSON - YEAH, THAT, OKAY, I WAS SITTING THERE AND JUST LISTENING AND HE SAID THAT HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THESE THREE BOYS AND HIM AND JASON JUST STARTED GIGGLING AND LAUGHING
ALLEN - WHAT EXACTLY, I MEAN WHO WAS HE TALKING TO?
WILSON - HE WAS TALKING TO DOMINICK AND JASON HE WAS JUST LIKE SHOWING OFF THAT HE DID IT AND I WAS LISTENING THE THIS WHOLE TIME AND MY SISTER WAS HOLDING ME DOWN AND SHE WAS TALKING TO ANOTER PERSON AND I WAS LISTENING THIS WHOLE TIME AND SAID HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEM AND THAT THAT HE DID IT
ALLEN - OKAY, DID HE EVER TALK DIRECTLY TO YOU? ARE IS THIS JUST SOMETHING YOU OVER HEARD?
WILSON - I OVER HEARD HIM TALKING TO DOMINICK AND JASON AND
ALLEN - OKAY, WAS, YOU SAID THERE WAS A GIRL THERE WITH JASON DO YOU KNOW WHO SHE WAS?
WILSON - JASON I'M NOT SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HER NAME WAS, BUT I KNOW, I THINK IT WAS DOMINICK WITH DAMIEN BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT NAME AND STUFF, AND MR. BRAY ASK ME WHAT WAS HER NAME AND I WENT OVER TO MY FRIENDS HOUSE AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT YOU KNOW AND THEN SHE SAID DOMINICK IS HIS GIRLFRIEND SO I ASSUMED THAT MUST BE DOMINICK BECAUSE YOU KNOW UNLESS HE WAS
ALLEN - OKAY, THIS NIGHT YOU WERE AT THE SKATING RINK AND HEARD THIS DO YOU KNOW IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHEN THEY FOUND THE 3 LITTLE BOYS, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AFTER THAT THIS, WHAT NIGHT IT WAS YOU WERE AT THE SKATING RINK?
WILSON - IT WAS ON A FRIDAY NIGHT
ALLEN - WAS IT ON A FRIDAY NIGHT
WILSON - YES SIR. CAUSE EVERYBODY ALWAYS GOES UP THERE
ALLEN - OKAY, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AFTER THEY DISCOVERED THE BOYS HAD BEEN KILLED IN RELATIONSHIP, WAS IT A WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS,
WILSON - I'M NOT SURE, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE FOUND
ALLEN - DID YOU TELL YOUR MOTHER ABOUT WHAT YOU HAD HEARD?
WILSON - YES SIR
ALLEN - WHEN DID YOU TELL YOUR MOTHER ABOUT THAT?
WILSON - A WHILE LATER AFTER, I MEAN I JUST FORGOT ALL ABOUT IT UNTIL A WHILE LATER MR. BRAY CALLED ME, CALLED MY MAMA WENT UP TO MY SISTER'S SCHOOL AND TALKED TO HER BUT SHE DIDN'T HEAR IT
ALLEN - YOUR SISTER DIDN'T HEAR IT
WILSON - THERE'S LOTS OF RUMORS THAT WENT AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL SO
ALLEN - OKAY, PENNY YOUR LAST NAME IS CUMMINGS IS THAT RIGHT?
WILSON - YEAH
ALLEN - AND YOUR BRANDY'S MOTHER? WHEN WAS IT WHEN YOU FIRST COULD YOU SCOOT YOUR CHAIR UP JUST FOR THE PURPOSE THIS WILL RECORD
PENNY - WILL THE GIRLS DID SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT THE NIGHT THAT WE CAME HOME BUT THEY DIDN'T NOTHING THE KIDS OR NOTHING LIKE THAT JUST LIKE THERE WAS SOME WEIRD BOYS THERE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THING WENT ON BUT NO I KNOW WE ALL REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT OR NOTHING UNTIL
WILSON - UNTIL MR. BRAY CALLED
ALLEN - OKAY, THE NIGHT SHE, DOES SHE GO TO THE SKATING RINK QUITE OFTEN
PENNY - THEY GO ABOUT EVERY OTHER WEEKEND
ALLEN - OKAY
PENNY - THIS WAS THEIR FIRST NIGHT THEY WENT TO ALL NIGHT SKATING
ALLEN - OKAY,
PENNY - THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
ALLEN - WHEN THIS CONVERSATION OCCURRED?
PENNY - YEAH
ALLEN - WHEN WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN? WHEN SHE OVERHEARD THIS CONVERSATION?
PENNY - WELL I DON'T BELIEVE THE BOYS STAYED IN THERE ALL NIGHT DID THEY?
WILSON - I DON'T KNOW I WASN'T PAYING ANY ATTENTION I GOT ANYWAY AS SOON AS CAROL LET ME GO
PENNY - WELL I MEAN DID THEY STAY ALL NIGHT SKATE OR DID THEY LEAVE AT ELEVEN?
WILSON - I DON'T KNOW
PENNY - MY OLDEST DAUGHTER SHE WOULD KNOW
ALLEN - OKAY SO AS FAR AS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS FRIDAY NIGHT BEING IN RELATIONSHIP TO AFTER THE MURDERS DO YOU KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WEEK, 2 WEEKS, 3 WEEKS?
PENNY - THIS WAS TWO DAYS AFTER THE MURDERS
ALLEN - THIS WAS TWO DAYS
PENNY - YES
ALLEN - OKAY, ALRIGHT, AND WHEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN WE FOUND THE BODIES ON THE 6TH THEN THIS WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ON A THURSDAY THEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE 7TH FRIDAY NIGHT
PENNY - YEAH
ALLEN - OKAY, WHEN YOU FIRST, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY ANYTHING THAT DON BRAY MAY HAVE CONTACTED YOU?
PENNY - THEY FOUND THE BOYS TWO DAYS AFTER, IT WAS A MONTH LATER THAT THEY ARRESTED THE BOYS, THEY HADN;T ARRESTED THE BOYS YES.
ALLEN - HOW DID DON GET HOLD AS FAR, I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING POSSIBLY, ASSUMING THAT HE POSSIBLY GOT THE INFORMATION FROM RUMORS OR WHATEVER GOING AROUND THE SCHOOL?
PENNY - I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA, HE NEVER DID TELL US, HE NEVER DID
ALLEN - OKAY, BUT AS FAR, AS FAR HER WOULD YOU HAVE MENTION THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE IN SCHOOL THAT MIGHT OF GOT BACK TO MR. BRAY THAT YOU OVER HEARD?
BRANDY - (INAUDIBLE) PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY PERSON I TALKED TO
ALLEN - OKAY, THIS JENNIFER PURIFOY DOES SHE GO TO SCHOOL IN MARION?
BRANDY - YES SHE IN MY SAME GRADE
ALLEN - AND DO YOU KNOW IF SHE LIVES IN MARION OR WEST MEMPHIS?
BRANDY - (INAUDIBLE)
ALLEN - YOU DON'T KNOW OKAY, DOES SHE KNOW THIS DAMIEN?
BRANDY - WILL SHE SAID HER BEST FRIEND IS REAL GOOD FRIENDS WITH HIM
ALLEN - HOW OLD IS THIS JENNIFER IS SHE THE SAME AGE AS YOU?
BRANDY - YEAH, ABOUT 11 OR 12
ALLEN - OKAY, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM JENNIFER ABOUT ANYTHING SHE KNOWS?
BRANDY - NO I JUST TALKED TO HER JUST THAT ONE TIME AND SHE TOLD ME A WHOLE BUNCH OF RUMORS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF HER FRIEND HAD TOLD HER
ALLEN - OKAY
PENNY - ABOUT THE EAR AND THE JAR AND HE KEEPS LOCKS ON DOORS TELL HIM BRANDY
BRANDY - SHE SAID HER FRIEND, DAMIEN TOLD HER FRIEND THAT HE KEEPS LOCKS ON HIS DOORS AND HE KEEPS PEOPLE OUT AND DOESN'T LET HIS PARENTS IN HIS ROOM
ALLEN - YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IN SOME JARS?
BRANDY - THEY SAID, A HUMAR EAR AND A TESTICLE
ALLEN - OKAY IN A JAR?
BRANDY - (INAUDIBLE)
ALLEN - AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HEARD JENNIFER PURIFOY
BRANDY - YEAH
ALLEN - AND HOW DID JENNIFER PURIFOY KNOW THIS?
BRANDY - FROM ONE OF HER FRIENDS, I DON'T KNOW HER FRIENDS NAME
ALLEN - OKAY
BRANDY - HER FRIENDS IS SUPPOSE TO BE FRIENDS WITH DAMIEN
ALLEN - OKAY, DO YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT YOU FEEL WE MIGHT NEED TO TALK TO? AS FAR ANYBODY ELSE MAY THAT YOU HAVE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THEY MAY HAVE HEARD, OR OVER HEARD ANYTHING OR
BRANDY - I'VE HEARD STUFF LIKE THAT A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN IT
ALLEN - DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?
BRANDY - I KNOW ONE OF THEIR NAMES IS L G HOLLINGSWORTH
ALLEN - OK YOU HEARD THAT A GUY NAMES LG HOLLINGSWORTH WAS INVOLVED IN IT?
BRANDY - (INAUDIBLE)
ALLEN - OKAY, ANY OTHER NAMES?
BRANDY - THERE ANOTHER NAME BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO MY SISTER TO SEE HIS NAME
ALLEN - OKAY, ALRIGHT, I'M GOING TO COMPLETE THIS INTERVIEW TIME IS 3:12 P.M.
