THIS IS DET. SGT. MIKE ALLEN OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. TODAY'S DATE IS JUNE 9, 1993, THE TIME IS NOW 4:10 P.M. I'M PRESENTLY IN THE DYESS CITY HALL IN DYESS, ARKANSAS TALKING TO A G.W. CHARLES STONE. KNOWN TO EVERYBODY HERE AS CHARLES STONE, P.O. BOX 297, HERE IN DYESS?

STONE - YEAH

ALLEN - YOU LIVE

STONE - 112 CIRCLE DRIVE

ALLEN - WHERE IS 112 CIRCLE DRIVE IN RELATION TO THE THEATER

STONE - NEXT DOOR TO IT

ALLEN - IT'S NEXT DOOR. IF YOU WOULD, MR. STONE, I'M TAPE RECORDING THIS CONVERSATION, UH DUE TO THE LENGTHY DESCRIPTION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE EXPLAINED TO YOU IN THE CAR. IF YOU WOULD JUST START OUT FROM THE BEGINNING AND TALK ABOUT JESSIE MISSKELLEY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER HE'S SUPPOSEDLY IN ALL THE NEWSPAPERS BY THIS TIME, HE'S SUPPOSEDLY BEEN IN DYESS ON MAY THE 5TH, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN A WEDNESDAY NIGHT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME I'VE GOT A COPY OF THIS CONTRACT DRAWN UP, JUST KINDA EXPLAIN TO ME THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, DID YOU FIRST READ ABOUT THIS IN THE NEWSPAPER?

STONE - I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS AND I'M RETIRED, AND I WATCH THE NEWS EVERY EVENING AND SEEN UH ABOUT THE THREE YOUNG BOYS THAT HAD BEEN LOST THAT EVENING, AND THEN UH I HEARD THE NEXT DAY THAT YOU FOUND THEM, AND UH, GETTING BACK TO UH, THE STATEMENTS. I'VE GOT A THEATER HERE IN DYESS AND OCCASIONALLY A WRESTLING RING SET UP IN IT. I BOUGHT IF FOR A COUNTRY AND MUSIC SHOW, BUT MY LONG DRIVE AND EVERYTHING PREVENTED ME FROM HAVING THAT AND UH, SO I WOUND UP TALKED INTO PUTTING A WRESTLING RING AND STARTING SOME WRESTLING AND MATCHES IN THERE. GETTING BACK TO THE STORY, UH THERE WAS A JAMES BOY THAT UH, USE TO COME UP HERE WITH HIS DAD AND THEY WOULD GO IN THERE AND WRESTLE. HIS DAD WAS A PAST WRESTLER AND HE HAD DONE QUIT I UNDERSTAND DUE TO WRESTLING CONDITIONS AND THE BOY, CAME UP HERE UNDER HIS DAD'S SUPERVISION AND STARTED UH, I STARTED LETTING HIM GO IN THERE AND TRAIN FOR WRESTLING.

ALLEN - OKAY, I'VE GOT A PHOTOGRAPH HERE OF UH, A PERSON THAT IS KNOWN AS JESSIE MISSKELLEY, AND THIS IS THE PERSON THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT HAS BEEN CHARGED IN WEST MEMPHIS WITH THE TRIPLE MURDER. UH, NOW HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS PERSON BEFORE?

STONE - YES I'VE SEEN HIM

ALLEN - NOW, THIS PERSON THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT HIS DADDY USED TO WRESTLE, IS THIS THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

STONE - NAW, THIS IS NOT. THE BOY THAT USED TO COME WITH HIS DADDY THE ONE THAT CONTINUES TO COME UP HERE. HIS DAD HAS DROPPED OUT AND UH, SO I LET PEOPLE GO IN THERE FROM TIME AND TIME AGAIN. DIFFERENT WRESTLERS WORK OUT AND UH, THE BOY CAME BACK A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND IN FACT HE'S COME BACK SEVERAL TIMES, BUT HE DRIVES FROM MEMPHIS DOWN HERE, WEST MEMPHIS, AND WANT TO GO IN THERE. AND ONE TIME I REMEMBER BILL ALEXANDER HAD MADE A SPEECH IN THERE AND WE LEFT THE ROPES DOWN AND HE DIDN'T HAVE NO HELP TO PUT THE ROPES UP, UH, THEN ANOTHER TIME, MISSISSIPPI COUNTY SHERIFF HAD A FISH FRY IN THERE, WE LEFT THE ROPES DOWN AGAIN, AND UH, HE HAD COME UP ABOUT THREE TIMES , UH THE JAMES BOY TO WORK OUT IN THERE. AND THE LAST TIME HE CAME UP, THEY WERE STILL, I SAID, I HADN'T PUT THE ROPES DOWN AND YOU WANTED TO GO IN THERE AND PRACTICE AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS GOING TO SELL THE RING AND HE WANTED TO BUY THE RING AND I SAID, IT'S FOR SALE. YOU CAN BUY IT. SO UH, HE CAME UP LATER WITH A PURCHASE PRICE OF $600.00 FOR THE RING, HE CAME UP LATER AND UH, I CANNOT GET MY DATES STRAIGHT ON THIS BUT HE AND ANOTHER GUY CAME UP, AND THE OTHER GUY IS THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE $300.00. A GUY THAT THIS BOY WAS SUPPOSE TO TRAIN. IN OTHER WORDS, HE WAS CHARGING HIM TO TRAIN HIM AND HE WAS GOING TO GET THE $300.00 TO HIM, BUT HE PASSED IT ON TO ME. HE SAID, GIVE IT TO CHARLIE THERE, WHICH HE DONE. IN THE MEANTIME, I HAD TOLD HIM BEFORE THIS, NOW IF THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO PRACTICE IN THERE UNTIL HE COULD RAISE THE OTHER $300.00, AND I SAID, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT, IF UH, YOU GUYS WOULD PAY FOR YOUR ELECTRICITY AND YOU DON'T SMOKE IN THERE, AND UH, ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT, THAT I WON'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ACCIDENTS IN THERE. SO THEY AGREED TO THAT. SO, THEN I DRAWED THIS UP, THIS CONTRACT FOR HIM TO SIGN AND FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN THAT COME IN THERE THAT WAS GOING TO GET IN THE RING.

ALLEN - YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE?

STONE - YES, I AM. THAT IS THE CONTRACT, A COPY OF IT. UH, SO THEN AFTER THEY HAD BEEN UP THERE UH THEY CAME BACK UP I BELIEVE AND WORKED ON THE RING, I DON'T REMEMBER. THEY HAD BEEN UP HERE SO MANY TIMES, AND UH, ONE NIGHT THEY SHOWED UP AND UH, I TOOK THE UH, I TOOK THE CONTRACT THE FIRST NIGHT, I TOOK THE CONTRACT OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH, AND SOME OF THEM SIGNED IT. UH, THE NEXT TIME THEY SHOWED UP, I WENT OVER IN THE BUILDING AND I PASSED IT AROUND AND UH, THEY SIGNED IT. THE PEOPLE THAT WAS TO GET INTO THE RING. THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT. SO, WITH THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE NIGHT THEY PAID ME THE $300.00 YOU KNOW. AND UH, APPARENTLY THAT WAS ON THE 5TH, THE NIGHT OF THE 5TH. IT SEEMS TO ME THEY WERE UP HERE AROUND 7 O'CLOCK AND THE WAY THAT I KNOW THAT, I MADE A DEPOSIT, CASH DEPOSIT THE NEXT DAY OF UH, I HELD SOME MONEY OUT BECAUSE I WAS WORKING ON MY GRANDSON'S CAR, AND UH, WAS WANTING TO GET A WINDSHIELD AND HAVE IT INSTALLED. BEST I CAN REMEMBER, THAT IS WHY I HELD THIS MONEY OUT. UH, I'M A PREACHER OF HABIT, I DO ALL MY MONEY, I MEAN MY TRANSACTIONS 90, 95 PERCENT OF IT BY CHECK, BECAUSE MY MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. I'M RETIRED FROM FROM THE GOVERNMENT AS AN AIRCRAFT TECHNICIAN. I DRAW TWO GOVERNMENT CHECKS AND THEY GO DIRECT DEPOSIT. SO, THEY GO INTO MY CHECKING ACCOUNT, AND I WRITE CHECKS. I'M A BUSINESS MAN I WRITE CHECKS SO I CAN HAVE MY RECEIPTS. WELL, THIS WAS A CASH PAYMENT. I WENT, MY BANK STATEMENT SHOWS THAT I WENT TO THE BANK ON THE 6TH AND DEPOSITED $200.00, I BELIEVE AND $32.00, AND THE REASON I WENT IMMEADIATELY THE NEXT DAY IS BECAUSE MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE ALWAYS OVER AND IS ALWAYS IN THE HOUSE, AND I DIDN'T WON'T TO HAVE MONEY JUST LAYING AROUND AND UH, SO MY STATEMENT SHOWS THAT I DID MAKE A CASH DEPOSIT ON THE 6TH OF JUNE UH MAY.

ALLEN - NOW, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN HE FIRST CAME UP AND YOU TOLD HIM THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRAW UP A CONTRACT. DID HE GIVE YOU THE $300.00 THAT NIGHT OR THE NIGHT YOU BROUGHT THE CONTRACT BACK?

STONE - HE DID NOT GIVE ME THE MONEY THEN. UNTIL I HAD ACTUALLY DRAWED THE CONTRACT UP AND UH, I WENT OVER THERE AND THAT NIGHT, I DEFINITELY REMEMBER PASSING IT AROUND AND THEY WERE SIGNING IT AND UH, WE SAT DOWN ON SOME SIDE BENCHES THERE AND THEY PAID ME THAT NIGHT.

ALLEN - OKAY, NOW THE NIGHT THEY PAID YOU, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, SOMEBODY SIGNED AND THEN A GROUP CAME AND ALL OF THEM SIGNED IT.

STONE - THEY UH, OKAY UH, THAT NIGHT, THEY WERE ALL IN THERE, THE NIGHT THAT THIS WAS SIGNED ALL OF THEM WERE IN THERE. YOU KNOW ALL OF THEM HAD SIGNED IT, WERE IN THERE.

ALLEN - OKAY, AS FOR AS, I TOOK IT WHEN YOU WERE FIRST TALKING THAT YOU HAD DONE THIS CONTRACT UP AND

STONE - WELL SEE, THERE WERE, I DID DO THE CONTRACT UP, AND SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM SIGNED IT ON, I CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SOME OF THEM SIGNED IT ON THE FRONT PORCH, BUT THEN AS I REMEMBER, I WENT ON OVER THERE, YOU SEE, IT WAS SOME OF THEM WAITING OVER IN FRONT OF THE THEATER, AND I WENT OVER THERE.

ALLEN - THIS WAS DONE THE SAME NIGHT?

STONE - I BELIEVE. I'M POSITIVE IT WAS, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THEM SIGNING THE CONTRACT AT ONE TIME I HONESTLY DON'T, YOU KNOW.

ALLEN - THIS IS THE CONTRACT THAT YOU GAVE THEN, THIS HERE WHAT I HAVE IS A COPY OF WHAT YOU GOT?

STONE - ABSOLUTELY. IT'S JUST A HANDWRITING CONTRACT CAUSE YOU KNOW I CAN'T TYPE.

ALLEN - DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE THEY WERE IN?

STONE - THEY WERE IN A, I KNOW THEY WERE IN A BLUE PICKUP TRUCK, A SMALL TRUCK, AND IT WAS TWO CARS OF THEM.

ALLEN - UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER KIND OF CAR, COLOR WISE

STONE - NO, I CAN'T I KNOW IT WAS A BLUE PICKUP TRUCK. THERE WAS A CHEVETTE UH, DON'T REMEMBER WHAT KIND OF CHEVETTE, OR WHAT COLOR, UH BUT THE BOY WAS DISCUSSING WITH ME ABOUT UH, A CHEVETTE BEING CHEAP ON GAS AND SO FORTH, AND I TOLD HIM THAT I HAD A CHEVETTE. AND IN FACT I STILL GOT ONE AND UH I DO REMEMBER THAT.

ALLEN - WAS THERE A WOMAN WITH THE GROUP?

STONE - THERE WERE TWO, THERE HAS BEEN SOME WOMEN IN THERE, UH, YOUNG GIRLS, ONE OF THEM WAS THIS JAMES BOY GIRLFRIEND.

ALLEN - JAMES, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JAMES, DO YOU KNOW HIS FIRST

STONE - I'VE GOT HIS NAME OVER THERE AT THE HOUSE. I'VE GOT HIS HOME PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING WRITTEN DOWN, BUT I CAN'T UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU HIS FIRST NAME.

ALLEN - IS JAMES'S NAME ON THIS CONTRACT HERE?

STONE - I'LL HAVE TO LOOK. I DON'T KNOW IF HE SIGNED IT OR NOT. HIS NAME IS NOT ON HERE. NOT THE MAN THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY WAS BUYING THE RING, THE OTHER MAN PAID IT. HE GAVE ME THE MONEY FOR IT, BUT JAMES IS TEH ONE I MADE THE DEAL WITH. AND THAT SEEM STRANGE BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD PASS IT TO HIM FIRST, I THINK THAT I DID PASS IT TO HIM AND HE WOULD PASS IT AROUND. UH, I DON;T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED.

ALLEN - UH, NOW THE NIGHT THIS WAS SIGNED BY EVERYBODY IS THE NIGHT THAT THEY GAVE YOU THE MONEY IS THAT CORRECT?

STONE - YES, SOME OF THE SIGNATURES ARE THERE, AND I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THAT ALL OF THEM SIGNED IT THAT NIGHT.

ALLEN - OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME OF NIGHT THAT THIS HERE WAS SIGNED?

STONE - IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY GOT HERE ABOUT 7 O'CLOCK, THAT EVENING. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY DID. I DON'T WEAR A WATCH AND I'M RETIRED, DATES DON'T MEAN MUCH TO ME AND TIME DOESN'T MEAN MUCH TO ME, EVEN THOUGH I STILL WORK FOR MYSELF I JUST DO IT AT MY LEISURE. I DON'T HAVE A TIME CLOCK.

ALLEN - WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT THE TV OR NEWSPAPER REPORT THAT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE MISSKELLEY BOY BEING AT DYESS?

STONE - IT WAS THE DAY THAT IT WAS ANNOUNCED ON THE TV, WHICH WAS ABOUT LAST THURSDAY OR FRIDAY OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE. I WATCH THE EVENING NEWS ALL THE TIME, UH MEMPHIS NEWS, I WATCH, AND THEN I SWITCH OVER TO SOMETHING ELSE.

ALLEN - OKAY

STONE - THAT'S THE DAY THAT IT, I REMEMBER ALSO THE STATIONS TO TURN THE TV ON, THEY GOT SOMEONE CHARGED WITH THE MURDERS AND HE REMEMBERS THAT, CAUSE HE WAS DISCUSSING THAT TODAY.

ALLEN - WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU, THAT THIS JESSIE MISSKELLEY NAME WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE PERSONS THAT WAS COMING UP HERE WITH THESE PEOPLE IN THE WRESTLING THEATER.

STONE - OKAY, UH, THAT HAD TO BE THIS PAST SUNDAY NIGHT, WHICH WAS UH, WHAT WAS THE DATE ON SUNDAY NIGHT?

ALLEN - SUNDAY NIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE, TODAY IS THE 9TH, TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, THE 6TH OF JUNE, YEAH.

STONE - OKAY, THAT'S WHEN THAT ALL CAME ABOUT. THE BOY HADN'T PAID ME FOR THE RING YET. AND ONE OF MY GRANDCHILDREN SAID. THE WRESTLERS ARE OVER THERE, I CAME IN THE HOUSE.

ALLEN - AND THIS WAS SUNDAY

STONE - YEAH, I WENT OVER THERE, AND UH, I WENT OVER THERE AND UH, TALKED TO THEM AND THIS JAMES BOY SAID, UH WE HAD, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAD HAPPENED DOWN THERE AND SUCH AND SUCH, BUT ANYHOW, HE SAID I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU, AND HE GOES OUT TO HIS TRUCK AND THEY'RE IN A NEW TRUCK. NEW TRUCK THIS TIME, AND HE BRINGS THIS PICTURE IN HERE, AND UH, HE SAID, HE HAD SEVERAL PICTURES AND HE TOOK THAT OUT, AND HE SAYS, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS GUY, OR DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS, AND I SAID WELL, YOU KNOW THE FACE IS FAMILIAR, BUT I SAID, I DON'T, I SAID, IS THAT SOMEBODY I'M SUPPOSE TO KNOW, IS THAT AN X-WRESTLER OR SOMEONE THAT USED TO WRESTLE HERE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HE SAID, NAW. THAT'S MISSKELLEY, WELL THAT NAME DIDN'T EVEN RING A BELL AT THAT TIME. AND I SAID, WHO AND HE SAID, MISSKELLEY. HE SAID THAT'S THE BOY THEY GOT CHARGED FOR THIS TRIPLE MURDER DOWN HERE, AND I SAID, YOU'RE KIDDING ME, AND HE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT AND UH, HE SHOWED ME A PICTURE OF MISSKELLEY STANDING RIGHT UP IN MY RING, AND HE TELLS ME IN THE SAME BREATH UH, THAT IS THE NIGHT THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE HAPPENED. THAT THE KIDS DISSAPPEARED, HE TOLD ME THAT THIS IS THE EVENING THAT WE WERE UP HERE AT 7 O'CLOCK. HE SAID, I DON'T BELIEVE HE DONE IT BECAUSE, HOW HE COULD HAVE GOT FROM THERE TO, AND GOT UP HERE AT 7 O'CLOCK AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT, I SAID, YOU NEED TO REPORT IT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. AND I SAID, DID HE UH, DID HE SAY ANYTHING OR DO ANYTHING OR, THAT UH, WAS HE UP TIGHT OR ANYTHING THAT NIGHT, AND HE SAID NO, HE WAS JUST PLAYING AROUND AND WE WERE ALL HAVING A GOOD TIME, WE WERE UP HERE, AND UH, AND HE BROUGHT HIS MASK WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS WEARING, YOU KNOW, HE BROUGHT HIS MASK UP HERE AND SAID, UH THEY TOOK HIS MASK WHEN THEY SEARCHED HIS APARTMENT. I THINK HE SAID. AND UH, I SAID, WELL UH, YOU KNOW, I SAID THAT'S REALLY AIN'T IT. THEN I GOT TO THINKING, YOU KNOW, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT I HAD HIS SIGNATURE ON THAT UNTIL TODAY. AND I THOUGHT WELL, YOU SEE ME AND MAXIE GOT INTO THIS CONVERSATION AND I SAID, WELL, I CAN'T DISAPPROVE OR PROVE THAT HE WAS THERE ON THAT DATE AND HE SAID WELL, I ONLY SAW HIM ONE TIME AND THAT WAS DURING A WEEKEND OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I SAID, MAXIE, THEY'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE, THAT'S BEEN IN THE THEATER BUILDING AND I SAID, I WENT OVER THERE AND TALKED TO HIM AND TOLD HIM HE WAS GONNA HAVE TO STOP THAT, THAT THIS WAS GETTING OUT OF HAND. GETTING OUT OF HAND AND UH, SO THAT'S UH, YOU KNOW THAT ALL CAME ABOUT. AND HE SHOWED ME THE PICTURE AND IT WAS DEFINITELY THE BOY, STANDING UP IN THE RING, CAUSE I KNOW MY OWN THEATER BUILDING AND HE SWEARS TO ME THAT THAT WAS THE NIGHT THAT UH, THAT THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED, AND HE WAS THERE.

ALLEN - AS FOR AS, THERE IS NO DATE ON THIS CONTRACT

STONE - NO, THERE'S NOT

ALLEN - YEAH, THERE'S NOT A DATE ON THIS CONTRACT, AS FOR AS WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AND YOU'RE QUITE SURE WHAT YOU'VE SAID TO ME, YOU'RE QUITE SURE THAT THE $300.00 WAS GIVEN AT THE TIME THIS CONTRACT WAS PASSED AROUND, IS THAT CORRECT?

STONE - I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT IT WAS, BECAUSE I MADE THE BANK DEPOSIT ON THE, THE 6TH, EVEN THOUGH I HELD OUT $162.00 TO BUY THESE PARTS FOR MY GRANDSON'S CAR. NOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I DID, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH MY CHECK AND SEE. I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DO THAT, AND SEE IF I WROTE CHECKS FOR THAT AMOUNT, AND MY MEMORY, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HELD THE MONEY OUT FOR, IF IT'S NOT THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER. I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER, BUT I DON'T AT THIS TIME.

ALLEN - UH, WAS THERE ANY OTHER DEPOSITS MADE IN THE MONTH OF MAY SIMILAR TO YOUR DEPOSIT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REFER TO AS THE NIGHT OF THE 5TH?

STONE - I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL DEPOSITS MADE BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY WERE ALL CHECKS AND I WAS PAID IN CASH, SO OTHER THAN THAT. THE GUY GAVE ME THREE ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS.

ALLEN - OKAY

STONE - AND, I DON'T KNOW THAT MAN'S NAME, UH I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ON THIS CONTRACT, OR IF HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT, UH IT WA A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS JUST PASSED AROUND AND YOU GET WHATEVER YOU CAN AND UH, IT DEFINITELY GOT OUT OF HAND, BECAUSE I WANTED EVERYBODY TO SIGN THAT GOT UP IN THE RING, YOU KNOW.

ALLEN - HOW OLD IS YOUR GRANDSON?

STONE - MY GRANDSON IS 17

ALLEN - NOW, AS FOR AS THIS RIGHT HERE, THE NIGHT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN REFERENCE TO THE NIGHT THAT THIS, THAT YOU DREW UP THIS CONTRACT FROM THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH HIM PRIOR TO THE NIGHT THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS DOWN FOR EVERYBODY TO SIGN.

STONE - YEAH, WHEN HE FIRST CAME UP, AND UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT BUYING THE RING, HE MAY HAVE CAME TWICE BEFORE HE EVER BOUGHT THE RING AND UH, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY WENT IN THERE AND I KNOW THE ROPES WERE UP AND I HAD TO CONTRACT THIS THING, BUT IT SEEMS TO E THAT HE CAME, THEY CAME UP AND I LET THEM HAVE THE KEY AND ALL OF THEM WENT OVER THERE AND STRUNG THE ROPES UP AND THEN THEY STARTED YOU KNOW, COMING BACK.

ALLEN - NOW, THE NIGHT THAT YOU GAVE THE NOTEBOOK TO WHOEVER, TO PASS AROUND, DID HE PASS AROUND, THE GUY BY THE NAME OF JAMES, THAT YOU

STONE - I BELIEVE I HANDED IT TO JAMES. I HANDED IT TO SOMEONE IN THE CROWD, I THINK I HANDED IT TO HIM.

ALLEN - IS JAMES THE ONE THAT DRIVES THE BLUE TRUCK, THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TOO?

STONE - UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER. UH, I WOULD, IF HE HAS A VEHICLE, I KNOW THAT THE GUY THAT GAVE ME THE MONEY, THE $300.00 WAS THE GUY THAT TOLD ME THAT HE HAD THE CHEVETTE, I DO KNOW THAT.

ALLEN - OKAY, OTHER THAN HIS NAME BEING ON THIS HERE, CAN YOU SAY THAT THIS PERSON IN THIS PICTURE HERE THAT I HAVE OF MISSKELLEY ON THE FRONT, WAS THERE THE NIGHT THAT THIS WAS SIGNED?

STONE - YEAH, HE HAD TO BE THERE THE NIGHT THAT THAT WAS SIGNED.

ALLEN - WHAT DO YOU MEAN, HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE?

STONE - BECAUSE HIS SIGNATURE IS ON IT.

ALLEN - WELL, I MEAN DID YOU ACTUALLY. WHAT I

STONE - OH, ARE YOU SAYING, BY IDENTIFICATION

ALLEN - YEAH, I MEAN

STONE - CERTAINLY IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THERE. IT HAD GOT OUT OF HAND. I HAVE TRIED TO REMEMBER THAT BOY, AND I DO REMEMBER UH, VAGUELY I REMEMBER HIME BEING IN THERE AND I THINK HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE BY ME AND I REMEMBER HOW HE LOOKED STRANGE, JUST

ALLEN - DO YOU REMEMBER AS FOR AS HEIGHT OR WEIGHT OF HIM? DO YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

STONE - OH, I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE AROUND 130 POUNDS

ALLEN - WHAT ABOUT HIS HEIGHT?

STONE - PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5-6 MAYBE, 5-4 OR 6, WHEN YOU'RE IN A CROWD, YOU'RE JUST A FACE IN THE CROWD TO ME, YOU KNOW. UH, MY GRANDSON WORKS FOR THE CITY, UH, WHAT TIME IS IT NOW?

ALLEN - 4:30

STONE - WHAT

ALLEN - 4:30

STONE - WELL, HE'S OFF WORK, HE GEST OFF I BELIEVE, NO, HE GOES TO WORK AT 8. IS THAT HIM IN THERE?

HALL - YEAH

STONE -I THINK HE GETS OFF AT 5, YOU CAN ASK HIM

HALL - WHAT'S HIS NAME?

STONE - CHARLES GUERRANT

HALL - CHARLES WHAT?

STONE - GUERRANT, THAT'S G U E R R A N T

ALLEN - BACK TO THIS EVENING THAT UH, NOW THIS $300.00, DID THEY EVER PAY YOU THE OTHER $300.00?

STONE - THEY HAVE NOT PAID THE OTHER $300.00. THE BOY TOLD ME THAT, THAT HE WAS EXPECTING SOME INCOME TAX IN, AND HE WOULD PAY ME WHEN HIS TAXES CAME IN. I APPROACHED HIM ANOTHER TIME LATER ON ABOUT THAT. AND HE SAID, WELL I HAD TO SPEND THAT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, YEAH, I GOT IT IN, BUT I HAD TO SPEND IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE. HE SAID, I GOT SOME MONEY COMING IN AND I WILL PAY YOU, AND THE NIGHT THAT HE GAVE ME THE PICTURE, I TOLD HIM THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE RING OUT OF THERE BY THE 3RD, BECAUSE MR. LAWSON WAS PLAYING THE THE COUNTRY AND MUSIC SHOW AND I HAD GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO USE THE BUILDING AND UH, HE TOLD ME, I SAID, WHEN WILL YOU BE BACK UP HERE, AND HE SAID, WELL I HOPE WHEN I COME BACK I WILL HAVE YOU THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, SAID, I HOPE I DIN;T HAVE TO COME BACK UNTIL I GET THE MONEY. AND UH, SO HE DID SHOW ME THE PICTURE UH, YOU KNOW, HE SHOWED ME THE PICTURE OF THE BOY STANDING IN THE RING, STANDING IN THE RING.

ALLEN - DID ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN THIS, WHEN YOU SAID JAMES COME UP THIS PAST SUNDAY, IS THAT CORRECT?

STONE - HE WAS UP HERE I BELIEVE SUNDAY NIGHT, THAT'S WHEN HE SHOWED ME THAT THE PICTURE.

ALLEN - OKAY

STONE - SEE, I WASN'T AWARE AT THE TIME, THAT THE BOY HAD BEEN OVER THERE, THIS IS ALL HERE SINCE SUNDAY NIGHT. I'VE HAD TO PUT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER IN MY MIND. DID I ACTUALLY SEE THIS BOY OVER THERE, AND UH, I REMEMBER I'M JUST ALMOST POSITIVE THAT HE WAS IN THE CROWD, AND UH, THAT NIGHT. SO WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW I JUST WANT THIS TO COME OUT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSE TO

ALLEN - YEAH, YES SIR, I UNDERSTAND

STONE - LIKE I SAY UH, WHOEVER IS GUILTY OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TERRIBLE THING AND UM

ALLEN - NOW, THE, AS FOR AS WHAT YOU'RE SURE OF, AT THIS POINT IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT THE CONTRACT AND THE MONEY WAS DONE UP, WAS ACTUALLY SINGED AND DONE UP IN THE SAME EVENING?

STONE - NO

ALLEN - I MEAN,

STONE - I HAD THE CONTRACT DONE UP, BUT THE SIGNING WAS DONE

ALLEN - WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THIS CONTRACT WAS SIGNED AND THEY MONEY WAS GIVEN TO YOU ON THE SAME EVENING, AND YOU'RE SAYING AROUND PROBABLY 7

STONE - YES

ALLEN - OKAY

STONE - IMMEADIATELY WHEN I WENT OVER THERE, BECAUSE I WAS GONE GET MY MONEY AND UH, I DON'T REALLY DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR WRESTLING AND I'M BORED WITH IT. I USE TO PROMOTE IT YEARS AGO, JUST TO GET THAT SON OF MINE THROUGH COLLEGE

ALLEN - NOW, BUT THE $300.00, YOU'RE QUITE SURE IN YOUR MIND, THAT THE $300.00 WAS GIVEN THE SAME TIME THAT THEY WERE ASKED TO SIGN THIS, THIS WAIVER.

STONE - IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW

ALLEN - I MEAN, ARE YOU 100 PERCENT SURE?

STONE - I CAN'T BE A 100 PERCENT SURE OF ANY OF THIS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KEEP NO NOTES, I DIDN'T KEEP NO DATES, BUT I DO KNOW THAT UH, THE MONEY WAS GIVEN TO ME THE NIGHT THAT THIS CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. I DO KNOW THAT. JUST TO SAY, YOU GET INTO A THING THERE, YOU WANT TO BE DAMN SURE, THAT YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING AS YOU KNOW IT.

ALLEN - NOW, TALKING ABOUT BEING SURE, AS FOR AS WHAT YOU CAN REMEMBER FROM THE MONTH OF MAY IN YOUR BANKING, RECORD, ARE YOU 100 PERCENT SURE THAT YOU DEPOSITED THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT FROM GOING BACK THROUGH YOUR BANK STATEMENTS, IS THERE, ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE, DID THEY I MEAN WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, IS SOMETIMES BANKS IN THE EVENINGS OR WHATEVER SOMETIMES THEY DATED IF FOR THE NEXT DAY OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

STONE - I UNDERSTAND, SIR I FILL OUT MY OWN BANK STATEMENTS IN THE BACK OF MY CHECKS, OKAY AND DATE THEM.

ALLEN - YES SIR

STONE - AND UH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THIS EVENING THAT I HAD MADE THAT DEPOSIT ON THE 6TH. I FILL OUT MY OWN, AND THE LADY, I ALWAYS, I'M CRIPPLE, YOU KNOW, TO SOME EXTENT, AND I ALWAYS GO TO THE DRIVE IN WINDOW UH, SO UH, I GO UP THERE, SHE TAKES, I ALWAYS PUT MY MONEY IN MY CHECKBOOK, PASS IT INTO THE DRAWER, AND UH, THEY ALL KNOW ME OVER THERE, AND UH, THEY TAKE THE MONEY OUT AND INITIAL THE STUB IN THE BACK OF THE CHECKBOOK. AND, ON THAT, IN MAY, I MADE SEVERAL DEPOSITS, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MY BOOKS ARE OPEN, I CAN SHOW YOU ANY OF MY BANK STATEMENTS OR WHATEVER. BUT, I DO HAVE A DEPOSIT ON THE 6TH OF MAY OF $232.00 AND I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN, BUT I DO REMEMBER HOLDING OUT MONEY TO GET THIS WINDSHIELD UH, AND THINGS FOR MY GRANDSON'S CAR. I PAID UH, THE WINDSHIELD, I GAVE $45 FOR, I PAID $25 TO PUT IT IN, BUT WE HAD THE WINDSHIELD SOMETIME. THAT MAY OR MAYNOT BEEN WHY I HELD OUT THE MONEY, I CAN'T SAY, BUT FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER IT'S ALL CONFUSING TO ME. UH, I HELD OUT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER, FOR WHATEVER, MAYBE I CAN REMEMBER IN THE MEANTIME AND REALLY PUT MY FINGER ON IT, BUT AT THIS TIME, I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT THIS IS WHAT IT WAS FOR.

ALLEN - AS FOR AS YOU KNOW, THE ONLY CASH DEPOSIT YOU MADE DURING THE MONTH OF MAY WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE 6TH, IS THAT RIGHT?

STONE - AS I SEE IT, BUT LIKE I SAY, WE CAN GO THROUGH MY STATEMENTS, YOU'RE WELCOMED TO THAT. I REMEMBER A $600.00 DEPOSIT UH, I REMEMBER A $300.00 DEPOSIT, BUT THOSE WERE CHECKS AND I DID GET CASH FOR THAT.

ALLEN - OKAY

STONE - AND IT'S NOT REPORTABLE BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING I BOUGHT AND SOLD, YOU KNOW, FOR LESS MONEY THAN WHAT I GAVE FOR IT.

ALLEN - AND THE, TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, UH IT WOULDN'T BE ANY REASON THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WAITED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE VERY NEXT DAY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FOR AS MONEY WISE, YOU'RE POSITIVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE DEPOSITED THE MONEY THE FOLLOWING DAY AND NOT A DAY OR TWO LATER, TWO DAYS LATER OR ANYTHING?

STONE - YEAH, UH CASH, I WOULD HAVE. BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE CASH AROUND THE HOUSE. BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME STUFF LIFTED , NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW, FROM MY GRANDCHILDREN, BUT THEY HAVE FRIENDS AND THEY BRING FRIENDS IN. AT ONE TIME, I GOT A GOVERNMENT CHECK STOLEN RIGHT OUT OF THE HOUSE. AND IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND OUT WHO DONE THAT, AND NOTHING WAS EVER DONE ABOUT IT. BUT IT DID HAPPEN. I'M VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT KEEPING MONEY AROUND, BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME TEENAGE GRANDSONS AND THEY ARE SUBJECT TO BRING PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE UNANNOUNCED, WHEN I'M THERE AND MAYBE WHEN I'M NOT THERE. I TRIED TO PUT A STOP TO IT, SO FOR I HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL

ALLEN - NOW, THIS JAMES, HAS THERE BEEN ANYBODY ELSE SINCE SUNDAY CONTACTED YOU AND WANTED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, OR OTHER THAN US TODAY. IS JAMES THE ONLY PERSON OTHER THAN MAYBE

STONE - YES, HE CALLED A WHILE AGO, BEFORE I TALKED TO YOU, THIS JAMES DID AND TOLD THAT HE WOULD TRY AND SAID HE WAS GONE TRY AND COME UP HERE TONIGHT AND HOPED THAT HE COULD BRING THE MONEY, YOU KNOW.

ALLEN - OKAY, BUT I MEAN OTHER THAN JAMES, AS FOR AS ANY PARENTS OF HIM

STONE - NO ONE, NO IN FACT I'VE TALKED TO VERY FEW PEOPLE YOU KNOW, THIS THING, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAS HAD ALOT OF THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT AND IT'S BEEN ON PEOPLE'S MIND. AND UH, OVER THE STORE, I GO OVER THERE ONCE A DAY, AND HANG OUT OVER THERE, IT'S MY PLACE, SO I JUST GOT IT LEASED TO MR. AUSTIN. AND UH, SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST TALK AND I'VE TOLD THEM THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD AND I'VE READ IN THE PAPER AND I'VE KEPT UP WITH THE PAPER AND THE PAPERS ARE ALL CONTRADICTORY. EVERYTHING THAT YOU READ IS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW. IT SEEMS TO ME, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW. I JUST HAVE TO TELL IT LIKE I KNOW. LIKE I KNOW IT AND THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO POINT IN ME, UH LIKE I SAID, IF THE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY, I WOULDN'T LIFT MY FINGER TO HELP THEM. IN A CRIME LIKE THAT, BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING TO ME. BUT I SURE WOULDN'T WON'T TO TESTIFY AGAINST TO GET SOMEONE IN TROUBLE THAT'S NOT IN TROUBLE, YOU KNOW. OBVIOUSLY THIS BOY IS IN TROUBLE, BUT SO BE IT, YOU KNOW.

ALLEN - I AM GOING TO COMPLETE THIS INTERVIEW, THE TIME IS NOW 4:45 P.M. 06/09/93.