ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) UM, IS THIS WHAT YOU HAD TO DO?
(INAUDIBLE) YES
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
ANGELA: I DO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME?
ANGELA: UM, ANGELA GAYLE GRINNELL
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND UH, YOU LIVED ON IN LAKESHORE MRS. GRINNELL?
ANGELA: UH, YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES OR KIN FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY, BESIDES THE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE IN THE TRAILER WITH YOU?
ANGELA: UH, YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHO ARE THEY?
ANGELA: OH WE HAVE UM, WE HAVE SOME UNCLES
FOGLEMAN: WHAT ARE THEIR NAME?
ANGELA: UM, FRANK AND HUBERT
FOGLEMAN: BARTOUSH? OKAY DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES NAMED BALDWIN?
ANGELA: UM, LIVE OVER HERE?
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
ANGELA: NO, UH NOT IN THE COUNTY
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS MATTHEW AND JASON'S FATHER NAME?
ANGELA: UH, LARRY
FOGLEMAN: LARRY BALDWIN
ANGELA: UH-HUH
FOGLEMAN: DID HE USE TO WORK AS A MECHANIC AT BEARDEN?
ANGELA: UH, NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: NOT THAT I KNOW OF
FOGLEMAN: HAS HE EVER, DID HE EVER LIVE IN THIS COUNTY?
ANGELA: HE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY BEFORE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, WERE THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RELATIVES IN THIS COUNTY BESIDES THE BARTOUSH'S?
ANGELA: IN THIS COUNTY, UM, MY HUSBAND
FOGLEMAN: RIGHT
ANGELA: AND CHILDREN
FOGLEMAN: RIGHT
ANGELA: THAT'S ALL
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WORK AT A TRUCKING COMPANY IS THAT RIGHT?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY?
ANGELA: UM, CUSTOMIZED TRANSPORTATION
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHERE IS THAT LOCATED?
ANGELA: IN UM MEMPHIS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HOURS DO YOU WORK THERE?
ANGELA: I WORK FROM 3 TO 11
FOGLEMAN: AND WHAT ARE YOU DUTIES, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO?
ANGELA: UM, JUST STATE A ENTRY
FOGLEMAN: JUST ENTER INFORMATION DO YOU ENTER IT INTO A COMPUTER OR ON BOOK OR?
ANGELA: UH, COMPUTERS AND BOOKS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) I'M SORRY I SHOULDN'T HAVE INTERRUPTED
FOGLEMAN: WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT, UM, HOW WHEN JASON WOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL HOW WOULD HE GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL?
ANGELA: HE UM RIDE THE BUS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND UM, NOW YOU GO TO SCHOOL, YOU GO WORK ABOUT YOU LEAVE HOME ABOUT 2:30 IS THAT RIGHT?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: TO BE AT WORK AT 3
ANGELA: RIGHT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: BUT SOMETIMES I'LL LEAVE A LITTLE BUT EARLIER THAN THAT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND JASON AFTER SCHOOL HE WOULD RIDE THE BUS IS THAT RIGHT? TO GET HOME?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, WHO IS DINK?
ANGELA: THAT'S A FRIEND OF MINE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: THAT STAYED WITH US
FOGLEMAN: AND WHERE DOES HE LIVE?
ANGELA: HE LIVES IN MEMPHIS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT ADDRESS DOES HE LIVE AT IN MEMPHIS?
ANGELA: UM, HE'S UM, IN JAIL RIGHT NOW
FOGLEMAN: OKAY WHAT'S HE IN JAIL FOR?
ANGELA: I'M NOT SURE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, IS HE
ANGELA: EXACTLY
FOGLEMAN: IS HE AT THE SHELBY COUNTY JAIL?
ANGELA: HE'S AT THE PENAL FARM I THINK
FOGLEMAN: PENAL FARM OKAY, WHO IS KEN
ANGELA: HE'S A FRIEND OF JASON'S
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME?
ANGELA: UM, UM WAL... (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: IS IT WATKINS?
ANGELA: WATKINS, WATKINS YEA, I HAVE IT WROTE DOWN AT HOME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: KEN WATKINS
FOGLEMAN: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE TELEPHONE?
ANGELA: I HAVE TALK HIM ONCE OR TWICE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE TELEPHONE?
ANGELA: IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SINCE UH, (INAUDIBLE) JASON WAS ARRESTED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: HE UH, SAID HE WOULD UH YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD YOU KNOW MAKE A STATEMENT
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
ANGELA: FOR JASON
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WELL THE POLICE HAVE TAKEN A STATEMENT FROM HIM, WHO DID JASON TELL YOU WAS WITH?
(INAUDIBLE) CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF IT?
FOGLEMAN: YOUR LAWYERS WILL GET A COPY OF IT
ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) CAN WE HAVE A COPY, WE'LL GET A COPY OF IT?
FOGLEMAN: RIGHT, YOUR LAWYER WILL GET A COPY OF IT. WHO ELSE DID JASON TELL YOU WAS WITH HIM THAT DAY?
ANGELA: UH, DOMINI AND DAMIEN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND KEN
ANGELA: HE SAID THAT UM, I THINK DOMINI AND DAMIEN LEFT UM, AFTER THEY UM LEFT, WHEN THEY LEFT HUBERT'S HIM AND KEN WALKED TO WAL-MART AND WALKED HOME
FOGLEMAN: THAT'S WHAT JASON TOLD YOU?
ANGELA: THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, AFTER THESE BOYS WERE MURDERED DID YOU UM, DID YOU WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TIME JASON WAS ARRESTED OR DID YOU TAKE SOME TIME OFF?
ANGELA: I WORKED ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL TIME UM, THEY WERE ARRESTED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY YOU DIDN'T TAKE ANY TIME OFF?
ANGELA: I MIGHT HAVE MISSED ONE OR TWO DAYS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: I DON'T THINK SO
FOGLEMAN: WELL THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION AT THE BOND HEARING, DO YOU REMEMBER THE BOND HEARING WHEN JASON WAS IN MUNICIPAL COURT YOU TOLD THE JUDGE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT YOU, IT HAD GOTTEN YOU SO UPSET THAT YOU HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO WORK SINCE IT HAD HAPPENED?
ANGELA: I SAID THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO, I WAS ABLE TO WORK, I WASN'T ABLE, I MEAN AFTER THEY STARTED QUESTIONING UH, DAMIEN AND JASON AND PICKED THEM UP AND STUFF AND THEY WERE, A LOT OF RUMORS STARTED ABOUT THEM, THAT'S ALL
FOGLEMAN: THEY NEVER DID
ANGELA: I WAS WORKING
FOGLEMAN: WELL UNTIL JASON WAS ARRESTED, THEY NEVER DID PICK HIM UP DID THEY?
ANGELA: OH NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU GOT SO UPSET THE DAY THE POLICE WERE TALKING TO JASON AND DAMIEN AND DOMINI OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR TRAILER?
ANGELA: I JUST GOT, I CAUSE... CAUSE THEY HAD THIS A LOT RUMORS GOING AROUND ABOUT THEM AND IT HAD GOTTEN ME UPSET
FOGLEMAN: I SEE, THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT THE POLICE TALKING TO JASON?
ANGELA: UM, NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU DIDN'T JASON?
ANGELA: BECAUSE UM, I THOUGHT THAT
FOGLEMAN: IT'S OKAY JUST GO AHEAD
ANGELA: UM THEY, UM I THOUGHT THAT THEY WAS, THOUGHT THAT DAMIEN WAS GUILTY OR SOMETHING AND DIDN'T WANT UM, JASON RUNNING AROUND WITH HIM
FOGLEMAN: YOU DIDN'T WANT JASON RUNNING AROUND WITH DAMIEN?
ANGELA:
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, OKAY
ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) I KNOW THEIR ALL, THEIR ALL INNOCENT AND
FOGLEMAN: DID JASON TELL YOU ANYTHING THAT SCARED YOU?
ANGELA: NO
FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?
ANGELA: I'M SURE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I'M GOING TO CHANGE TAPES NOW IT'S 10:54 A. M. THE NEW TAPE IS 10:55 A. N... A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 THIS IS JOHN FOGLEMAN DEPUTY PROSECUTOR FOR CRITTENDEN COUNTY BRENT DAVIS PROSECUTOR ATTORNEY FOR THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT IS PRESENT, THIS IS THE INTERVIEW OF ANGELA GRINNELL HER COURT APPOINTED LAWYER DAVIS LOFTIN IS PRESENT, ALONG WITH HER HUSBAND TERRY GRINNELL AND HER SON MATTHEW BALDWIN. ALRIGHT, MRS. GRINNELL HOW LONG DID DINK STAY THERE AT YOUR TRAILER?
ANGELA: COUPLE OF MONTHS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHILE HE WAS THERE
ANGELA: IS THAT RELEVANT TO CASE? I MEAN
FOGLEMAN: I'M NOT GOING TO GET ANY DEEPER INTO YOUR PERSONAL THING OKAY, NOW DURING THE TIME THAT HE WAS THERE YOUR HUSBAND WAS AT HIS MOTHER'S IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TOLD US IS THAT RIGHT?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID JASON TELL YOU WHAT TIME HE GOT HOME THAT NIGHT?
ANGELA: HE TOLD ME HE GOT HOME ABOUT 9, I MEAN ABOUT NO HE GOT HOME BEFORE THEN, HE GOT HOME, HE TOLD ME ABOUT 8
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
ANGELA: 8:30
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT,
ANGELA: WHAT (INAUDIBLE) I'M NOT SUPPOSE TO ANSWER I'M SUPPOSE TO LET THE LAWYER ANSWER ALL... ALL THESE QUESTIONS
FOGLEMAN: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
(UNKNOWN) ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT TEND TO INCRIMINATE YOU, AND NOW THAT'S THE ONLY THING, AND YOU, THERE'S NOTHING HERE TO INCRIMINATE YOU I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: WHAT ELSE DID JASON TELL YOU?
ANGELA: UM, HE SAID UM, HE GOT HOME HE WENT TO UM, WAL-MART WENT TO ADAMS AND CAME HOME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHAT WAS ADAMS LAST NAME AGAIN? DO YOU REMEMBER?
ANGELA: UH PHILLIPS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, NOW DO YOU REMEMBER THE NIGHT THAT..., THAT THEY ARRESTED JASON AND THEY WERE SEARCHING YOUR TRAILER?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU CAME IN YOU WERE VERY UPSET, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND YOU MADE A STATEMENT TO YOUR HUSBAND ACCUSING HIM OF TURNING JASON IN FOR THE REWARD MONEY, WHAT DID YOU THINK THAT YOUR HUSBAND COULD HAVE TOLD THE POLICE?
ANGELA: I DON'T KNOW, WHY I SAID THAT
FOGLEMAN: YOU JUST DON'T WHY YOU WOULD OF SAID THAT?
ANGELA: WELL I JUST UM,
FOGLEMAN: YOU JUST DON'T KNOW?
ANGELA: I (INAUDIBLE) I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD OF SAID THAT
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HAS UM, WHAT IS,
ANGELA: I JUST,
FOGLEMAN: GO AHEAD
ANGELA: NOTHING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT IS YOUR UNCLE MR. BARTOUSH TOLD YOU ABOUT THE LAWN MOWING?
ANGELA: HE SAID THAT UM, JASON CAME OVER AND THEY MOW THE YARD
FOGLEMAN: DID HE SAY WHO WAS WITH JASON?
ANGELA: HE DIDN'T SAY, THAT HE SAW ANYBODY WITH HIM HE UM, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID HE
ANGELA: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM AGAIN, I'M MIGHT NEED TO TALK TO HIM SOME MORE ABOUT IT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID YOUR TELL YOU WHAT TIME JASON WAS AT HIS HOUSE?
ANGELA: HE SAID HE LEFT ABOUT 6:30
FOGLEMAN: ABOUT 6:30?
ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) HE WAS THERE UNTIL, ABOUT 4:30 TILL ABOUT 6:30
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, (INAUDIBLE) WHEN YOU GOT HOME THAT NIGHT FROM WORK WAS JASON AWAKE OR ASLEEP?
ANGELA: HE WAS ASLEEP
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID YOU GO IN THERE AND CHECK ON HIM OR WAS HE JUST IN HIS ROOM AND YOU ASSUMED HE WAS ASLEEP, WHICH ONE WAS IT?
ANGELA: OH I'M SURE I WENT IN THERE AND CHECKED ON HIM AND UH HE WAS ASLEEP
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU SAID YOUR SURE
ANGELA: I'M PRETTY SURE I DID
FOGLEMAN: IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD USUALLY DO? ARE DO YOU REMEMBER?
ANGELA: I WENT IN THERE AND CHECKED ON HIM AND HE WAS ASLEEP AND
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HE THAT WHAT YOU USUALLY DO?
ANGELA: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER ON THAT DAY GOING IN AND CHECKING?
ANGELA: JASON WAS HOME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER HE WAS HOME OR NOT, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER WHETHER HE WAS ASLEEP OR NOT?
ANGELA: HE WAS ASLEEP, HE I WENT IN THERE AND LOOKED AND HE (INAUDIBLE) HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ASLEEP.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH, WELL MRS. GRINNELL THAT CONCLUDES THIS INTERVIEW IT'S A 11:02 A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ANY MORE QUESTIONS OKAY?
