MRS. GRINNELL WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND?

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) UM, IS THIS WHAT YOU HAD TO DO?

(INAUDIBLE) YES

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

ANGELA: I DO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME?

ANGELA: UM, ANGELA GAYLE GRINNELL

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND UH, YOU LIVED ON IN LAKESHORE MRS. GRINNELL?

ANGELA: UH, YES SIR

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES OR KIN FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY, BESIDES THE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE IN THE TRAILER WITH YOU?

ANGELA: UH, YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHO ARE THEY?

ANGELA: OH WE HAVE UM, WE HAVE SOME UNCLES

FOGLEMAN: WHAT ARE THEIR NAME?

ANGELA: UM, FRANK AND HUBERT

FOGLEMAN: BARTOUSH? OKAY DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES NAMED BALDWIN?

ANGELA: UM, LIVE OVER HERE?

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

ANGELA: NO, UH NOT IN THE COUNTY

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS MATTHEW AND JASON'S FATHER NAME?

ANGELA: UH, LARRY

FOGLEMAN: LARRY BALDWIN

ANGELA: UH-HUH

FOGLEMAN: DID HE USE TO WORK AS A MECHANIC AT BEARDEN?

ANGELA: UH, NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: NOT THAT I KNOW OF

FOGLEMAN: HAS HE EVER, DID HE EVER LIVE IN THIS COUNTY?

ANGELA: HE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY BEFORE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, WERE THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER RELATIVES IN THIS COUNTY BESIDES THE BARTOUSH'S?

ANGELA: IN THIS COUNTY, UM, MY HUSBAND

FOGLEMAN: RIGHT

ANGELA: AND CHILDREN

FOGLEMAN: RIGHT

ANGELA: THAT'S ALL

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WORK AT A TRUCKING COMPANY IS THAT RIGHT?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY?

ANGELA: UM, CUSTOMIZED TRANSPORTATION

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHERE IS THAT LOCATED?

ANGELA: IN UM MEMPHIS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HOURS DO YOU WORK THERE?

ANGELA: I WORK FROM 3 TO 11

FOGLEMAN: AND WHAT ARE YOU DUTIES, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO?

ANGELA: UM, JUST STATE A ENTRY

FOGLEMAN: JUST ENTER INFORMATION DO YOU ENTER IT INTO A COMPUTER OR ON BOOK OR?

ANGELA: UH, COMPUTERS AND BOOKS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) I'M SORRY I SHOULDN'T HAVE INTERRUPTED

FOGLEMAN: WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT, UM, HOW WHEN JASON WOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL HOW WOULD HE GET TO AND FROM SCHOOL?

ANGELA: HE UM RIDE THE BUS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND UM, NOW YOU GO TO SCHOOL, YOU GO WORK ABOUT YOU LEAVE HOME ABOUT 2:30 IS THAT RIGHT?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: TO BE AT WORK AT 3

ANGELA: RIGHT

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: BUT SOMETIMES I'LL LEAVE A LITTLE BUT EARLIER THAN THAT

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND JASON AFTER SCHOOL HE WOULD RIDE THE BUS IS THAT RIGHT? TO GET HOME?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, WHO IS DINK?

ANGELA: THAT'S A FRIEND OF MINE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: THAT STAYED WITH US

FOGLEMAN: AND WHERE DOES HE LIVE?

ANGELA: HE LIVES IN MEMPHIS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT ADDRESS DOES HE LIVE AT IN MEMPHIS?

ANGELA: UM, HE'S UM, IN JAIL RIGHT NOW

FOGLEMAN: OKAY WHAT'S HE IN JAIL FOR?

ANGELA: I'M NOT SURE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, IS HE

ANGELA: EXACTLY

FOGLEMAN: IS HE AT THE SHELBY COUNTY JAIL?

ANGELA: HE'S AT THE PENAL FARM I THINK

FOGLEMAN: PENAL FARM OKAY, WHO IS KEN

ANGELA: HE'S A FRIEND OF JASON'S

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME?

ANGELA: UM, UM WAL... (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: IS IT WATKINS?

ANGELA: WATKINS, WATKINS YEA, I HAVE IT WROTE DOWN AT HOME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: KEN WATKINS

FOGLEMAN: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE TELEPHONE?

ANGELA: I HAVE TALK HIM ONCE OR TWICE

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE TELEPHONE?

ANGELA: IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SINCE UH, (INAUDIBLE) JASON WAS ARRESTED

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: HE UH, SAID HE WOULD UH YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD YOU KNOW MAKE A STATEMENT

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

ANGELA: FOR JASON

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WELL THE POLICE HAVE TAKEN A STATEMENT FROM HIM, WHO DID JASON TELL YOU WAS WITH?

(INAUDIBLE) CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF IT?

FOGLEMAN: YOUR LAWYERS WILL GET A COPY OF IT

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) CAN WE HAVE A COPY, WE'LL GET A COPY OF IT?

FOGLEMAN: RIGHT, YOUR LAWYER WILL GET A COPY OF IT. WHO ELSE DID JASON TELL YOU WAS WITH HIM THAT DAY?

ANGELA: UH, DOMINI AND DAMIEN

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND KEN

ANGELA: HE SAID THAT UM, I THINK DOMINI AND DAMIEN LEFT UM, AFTER THEY UM LEFT, WHEN THEY LEFT HUBERT'S HIM AND KEN WALKED TO WAL-MART AND WALKED HOME

FOGLEMAN: THAT'S WHAT JASON TOLD YOU?

ANGELA: THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, AFTER THESE BOYS WERE MURDERED DID YOU UM, DID YOU WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TIME JASON WAS ARRESTED OR DID YOU TAKE SOME TIME OFF?

ANGELA: I WORKED ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL TIME UM, THEY WERE ARRESTED

FOGLEMAN: OKAY YOU DIDN'T TAKE ANY TIME OFF?

ANGELA: I MIGHT HAVE MISSED ONE OR TWO DAYS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: I DON'T THINK SO

FOGLEMAN: WELL THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION AT THE BOND HEARING, DO YOU REMEMBER THE BOND HEARING WHEN JASON WAS IN MUNICIPAL COURT YOU TOLD THE JUDGE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT YOU, IT HAD GOTTEN YOU SO UPSET THAT YOU HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO WORK SINCE IT HAD HAPPENED?

ANGELA: I SAID THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO, I WAS ABLE TO WORK, I WASN'T ABLE, I MEAN AFTER THEY STARTED QUESTIONING UH, DAMIEN AND JASON AND PICKED THEM UP AND STUFF AND THEY WERE, A LOT OF RUMORS STARTED ABOUT THEM, THAT'S ALL

FOGLEMAN: THEY NEVER DID

ANGELA: I WAS WORKING

FOGLEMAN: WELL UNTIL JASON WAS ARRESTED, THEY NEVER DID PICK HIM UP DID THEY?

ANGELA: OH NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU GOT SO UPSET THE DAY THE POLICE WERE TALKING TO JASON AND DAMIEN AND DOMINI OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR TRAILER?

ANGELA: I JUST GOT, I CAUSE... CAUSE THEY HAD THIS A LOT RUMORS GOING AROUND ABOUT THEM AND IT HAD GOTTEN ME UPSET

FOGLEMAN: I SEE, THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT THE POLICE TALKING TO JASON?

ANGELA: UM, NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU DIDN'T JASON?

ANGELA: BECAUSE UM, I THOUGHT THAT

FOGLEMAN: IT'S OKAY JUST GO AHEAD

ANGELA: UM THEY, UM I THOUGHT THAT THEY WAS, THOUGHT THAT DAMIEN WAS GUILTY OR SOMETHING AND DIDN'T WANT UM, JASON RUNNING AROUND WITH HIM

FOGLEMAN: YOU DIDN'T WANT JASON RUNNING AROUND WITH DAMIEN?

ANGELA:

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, OKAY

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) I KNOW THEIR ALL, THEIR ALL INNOCENT AND

FOGLEMAN: DID JASON TELL YOU ANYTHING THAT SCARED YOU?

ANGELA: NO

FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?

ANGELA: I'M SURE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I'M GOING TO CHANGE TAPES NOW IT'S 10:54 A. M. THE NEW TAPE IS 10:55 A. N... A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 THIS IS JOHN FOGLEMAN DEPUTY PROSECUTOR FOR CRITTENDEN COUNTY BRENT DAVIS PROSECUTOR ATTORNEY FOR THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT IS PRESENT, THIS IS THE INTERVIEW OF ANGELA GRINNELL HER COURT APPOINTED LAWYER DAVIS LOFTIN IS PRESENT, ALONG WITH HER HUSBAND TERRY GRINNELL AND HER SON MATTHEW BALDWIN. ALRIGHT, MRS. GRINNELL HOW LONG DID DINK STAY THERE AT YOUR TRAILER?

ANGELA: COUPLE OF MONTHS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHILE HE WAS THERE

ANGELA: IS THAT RELEVANT TO CASE? I MEAN

FOGLEMAN: I'M NOT GOING TO GET ANY DEEPER INTO YOUR PERSONAL THING OKAY, NOW DURING THE TIME THAT HE WAS THERE YOUR HUSBAND WAS AT HIS MOTHER'S IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TOLD US IS THAT RIGHT?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID JASON TELL YOU WHAT TIME HE GOT HOME THAT NIGHT?

ANGELA: HE TOLD ME HE GOT HOME ABOUT 9, I MEAN ABOUT NO HE GOT HOME BEFORE THEN, HE GOT HOME, HE TOLD ME ABOUT 8

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

ANGELA: 8:30

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT,

ANGELA: WHAT (INAUDIBLE) I'M NOT SUPPOSE TO ANSWER I'M SUPPOSE TO LET THE LAWYER ANSWER ALL... ALL THESE QUESTIONS

FOGLEMAN: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

(UNKNOWN) ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT TEND TO INCRIMINATE YOU, AND NOW THAT'S THE ONLY THING, AND YOU, THERE'S NOTHING HERE TO INCRIMINATE YOU I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: WHAT ELSE DID JASON TELL YOU?

ANGELA: UM, HE SAID UM, HE GOT HOME HE WENT TO UM, WAL-MART WENT TO ADAMS AND CAME HOME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHAT WAS ADAMS LAST NAME AGAIN? DO YOU REMEMBER?

ANGELA: UH PHILLIPS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, NOW DO YOU REMEMBER THE NIGHT THAT..., THAT THEY ARRESTED JASON AND THEY WERE SEARCHING YOUR TRAILER?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU CAME IN YOU WERE VERY UPSET, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND YOU MADE A STATEMENT TO YOUR HUSBAND ACCUSING HIM OF TURNING JASON IN FOR THE REWARD MONEY, WHAT DID YOU THINK THAT YOUR HUSBAND COULD HAVE TOLD THE POLICE?

ANGELA: I DON'T KNOW, WHY I SAID THAT

FOGLEMAN: YOU JUST DON'T WHY YOU WOULD OF SAID THAT?

ANGELA: WELL I JUST UM,

FOGLEMAN: YOU JUST DON'T KNOW?

ANGELA: I (INAUDIBLE) I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD OF SAID THAT

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HAS UM, WHAT IS,

ANGELA: I JUST,

FOGLEMAN: GO AHEAD

ANGELA: NOTHING

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT IS YOUR UNCLE MR. BARTOUSH TOLD YOU ABOUT THE LAWN MOWING?

ANGELA: HE SAID THAT UM, JASON CAME OVER AND THEY MOW THE YARD

FOGLEMAN: DID HE SAY WHO WAS WITH JASON?

ANGELA: HE DIDN'T SAY, THAT HE SAW ANYBODY WITH HIM HE UM, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID HE

ANGELA: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM AGAIN, I'M MIGHT NEED TO TALK TO HIM SOME MORE ABOUT IT

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID YOUR TELL YOU WHAT TIME JASON WAS AT HIS HOUSE?

ANGELA: HE SAID HE LEFT ABOUT 6:30

FOGLEMAN: ABOUT 6:30?

ANGELA: (INAUDIBLE) HE WAS THERE UNTIL, ABOUT 4:30 TILL ABOUT 6:30

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, (INAUDIBLE) WHEN YOU GOT HOME THAT NIGHT FROM WORK WAS JASON AWAKE OR ASLEEP?

ANGELA: HE WAS ASLEEP

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID YOU GO IN THERE AND CHECK ON HIM OR WAS HE JUST IN HIS ROOM AND YOU ASSUMED HE WAS ASLEEP, WHICH ONE WAS IT?

ANGELA: OH I'M SURE I WENT IN THERE AND CHECKED ON HIM AND UH HE WAS ASLEEP

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU SAID YOUR SURE

ANGELA: I'M PRETTY SURE I DID

FOGLEMAN: IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD USUALLY DO? ARE DO YOU REMEMBER?

ANGELA: I WENT IN THERE AND CHECKED ON HIM AND HE WAS ASLEEP AND

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HE THAT WHAT YOU USUALLY DO?

ANGELA: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER ON THAT DAY GOING IN AND CHECKING?

ANGELA: JASON WAS HOME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER HE WAS HOME OR NOT, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER WHETHER HE WAS ASLEEP OR NOT?

ANGELA: HE WAS ASLEEP, HE I WENT IN THERE AND LOOKED AND HE (INAUDIBLE) HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ASLEEP.

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH, WELL MRS. GRINNELL THAT CONCLUDES THIS INTERVIEW IT'S A 11:02 A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU ANY MORE QUESTIONS OKAY?

ANGELA: OKAY