DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Just sit there. Jessie, uh, when when you got with the with the boys and with Jason and Baldwin when you three were in the woods and then the little boys come up, about what time was it? When the boys came up to the woods?
*B01 MISSKELLEY: I would say it was about it was about five or six, five or six.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Now, did you have your watch on at the time?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: You didn't have your watch on?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Uh, alright you told me earlier around seven or eight or, wh-which time is it?
*B04 MISSKELLEY: It was seven or eight.
*B05 MISSKELLEY: I remember it was starting to get dark.
*B06 MISSKELLEY: I remember it was starting to get dark.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, well that clears it up. I didn't know, that's what I was wondering, was it getting dark or, or what.
*B07 MISSKELLEY: We got up there at six but the boys come up when it was starting to get dark.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, so you and Jason and Baldwin uh, Damien, you all got there right at six?
*B08 MISSKELLEY: About six, yeah
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Is that, is that a normal time that you all meet? At six?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, when you do your cult stuff, is six, does six mean something, I mean is that a time you normally do meet?
*B10 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm. (close to mm-mm)
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, so you all met out there at six and, and then the boys come up about what time?
*B11 MISSKELLEY: About seven.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: About seven o'clock, okay. So you all were out there with the boys and all this stuff going on and until you noticed it starting getting dark. Is that correct?
*B12 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Okay. Now are, you're sure about that?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Okay, okay, um, okay. Hold on just a minute. (Tape stops and then restarts.) Ok Jessie uh, I asked you about your clothing and you said that uh, what, what were you wearing?
*B14 MISSKELLEY: I was wearing uh, blue jeans, and, uh, a white shirt, had some kind of basketball deal on it. Some tennis shoes, Adidas.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, your shirt was it a, uh, what kind of shirt was it?
*B15 MISSKELLEY: It was a white shirt with, uh, basketballs all around it.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Is it a shirt like you got on now?
*B16 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: What kind of shirt is it like you got on now? That's a, that's a what, a t-shirt?
*B17 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok. So you had a white t-shirt with a basketball design on it? (22 second pause) Ok, uh, what about shoes. What kind of shoes did you have on?
*B18 MISSKELLEY: White and blue Adidas.
*B19 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: And who has those shoes now?
*B20 MISSKELLEY: Buddy Lucas.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: And how old is Buddy?
*B21 MISSKELLEY: He's about 18 or 19.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Why, why does he have your shoes?
*B22 MISSKELLEY: We went, we was coming home one day and it was raining and he didn't have nothing else to wear so he put on one of my shoes.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, and where does he live at?
*B23 MISSKELLEY: In Lakeshore.
*B24 MISSKELLEY: By, uh a church.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Is there a street or anything?
*B25 MISSKELLEY: There is a street but it ain't got no names on it though.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: What street is the church on?
*B26 MISSKELLEY: On uh, as soon as you get off of Cherry Street. Uh, Cherry Street, right in front of it.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Off of Cherry Street?
*B27 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Okay, there, are there any vehicles around close by that I could recognize that trailer?
*B28 MISSKELLEY: It should be, uh, a green truck and a brown van and there is a basketball goal right there by right where the green truck's at, there's a basketball goal.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, who tied the boys up?
*B29 MISSKELLEY: Uh, Damien.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Did Damien just tie them all up or did anyone help Damien or
*B30 MISSKELLEY: Jason helped him.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, and what did they use to tie them up?
*B31 MISSKELLEY: A rope.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok. What color was the rope?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Did you ever see the boys in the water?
*B33 MISSKELLEY: (unintelligible, yawn?) Uh, yep, down by the water.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, how did the boys get in the water?
*B34 MISSKELLEY: They um, pulled pulled them in there, to the water.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, when you say they who, who is it that pulled them into the water?
*B35 MISSKELLEY: Jason and uh, Damien.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Do you wear a belt?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Does Jason where a belt?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Does Damien wear a belt?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: What kind of belt does he wear?
*B39 MISSKELLEY: A black leather belt with uh, beads around it uh, like little beads around it.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: With beads around it?
*B40 MISSKELLEY: Like little beads you know stubbies, little.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, about how thick is the belt?
*B41 MISSKELLEY: About four inches.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Now, do you know what four inches looks like?
*B42 MISSKELLEY: About like that, the belt was about like that. (Original transcript said: Using hands to show width)
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, I don't, I don't think that's quite four inches, but uh, probably about three something like that?
*B43 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm. (sounds like mm-mm)
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Which, which boys were raped?
*B44 MISSKELLEY: Uh, the Byers and the. . . the Branch.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, so you know them by, by name and face, well enough to call them by name?
*B45 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, did you, did you see the Moore boy, was he raped?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, who raped those two boys?
*B47 MISSKELLEY: Jason and Damien.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Do you know which one raped which boy, or how did that happen?
*B48 MISSKELLEY: Damien raped the Myers by hisself and and Jason and Damien raped uh the Branch.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, give that to me again now.
*B49 MISSKELLEY: Damien raped uh the Myers by hisself and Jason and Damien raped the Branch.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: (13 second pause) Did anyone have oral sex with the boys?
*B50 MISSKELLEY: Yes, Damien and Jason.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: How many of them did they do that to?
*B51 MISSKELLEY: Just two, Branch and Myers.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: (17 second pause) How did they keep the boys quiet?
*B52 MISSKELLEY: Put their hands over their mouths.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Did they do anything else other than put their hands over their mouths? How did they finally keep them from being quiet, cause they the boys bound to have been hollering?
*B53 MISSKELLEY: They stick their hands over their mouths first, and then they stick their shirts to their mouth.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, did they do anything else to them to make them be quiet?
*B54 MISSKELLEY: They stuck their thang in their mouth.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, did they, were they hitting them before that or afterwards?
*B55 MISSKELLEY: Before and after, just trying to keep them off of them.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Just all of the time?
*B56 MISSKELLEY: Just trying to keep Jason and Damien off of them.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Now they put their, whose shirts did they put in their mouth?
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*B57 MISSKELLEY: Damiens.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, alright hold on just a minute. (original transcript said pause, another tape pause?) Let me ask you something else, Jessie, I'm sorry, I keep coming back and forth, but I got people that want me to ask you some other questions, uh talking about oral sex, did you see, you know we had talked earlier about (my tape continues) how Jason and uh Damien do each other, have sex with each other. Did they, did they have any oral sex on the boys?
*B58 MISSKELLEY: Yeah, they, they, one of them stuck their thang in one of the boys mouth while the other one got the other one up the butt and stuff.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, but did, did anyone go down on the boys and and and maybe suck theirs or something?
*B59 MISSKELLEY: Not that, I didn't see nothing, neither one of them do that.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: You didn't see that?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, did, did they pinch their penis in anyway? Or were rough with it or anything like that?
*B61 MISSKELLEY: I didn't see nothing like that, not rough with them, I just seen um
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: But you, you didn't see anyone go down on the boys?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok. (Tape cuts off. Original transcript says: pause. Gave Jessie a Coke) That Coke was kind of cold huh?
*B64 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: I tell ya it tasted pretty good to me, though. Um, Jessie when, now the boys hands were tied up right?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: How did, how did, they force these boys to have oral sex on them? How did they have a hold of them?
*B66 MISSKELLEY: One of them had them, had them by the arms while the other one got behind them and stuff.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Did he ever hold him up here or
*B67 MISSKELLEY: Uh, the one that was holding him up there at the front grabbing him by his headlock.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Had him in a headlock? Did he, did he have him any other way?
*B68 MISSKELLEY: He was holding him like this by his head like this and stuff. (Original transcript said: Note: was indicating the victims being held by their ears)
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Could he have been holding him up here like that?
*B69 MISSKELLEY: He was, I was too far away he was holding him right there by his head like this (Original transcript said: Note: showed the same as above)
*B70 MISSKELLEY: And he was pulling him.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Ok, so who, was one of them doing that or both of them was doing it? Was Jason?
*B71 MISSKELLEY: Jason was holding him while Damien did it and then they took turns.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: So, they both did it to all three of the boys?
*B72 MISSKELLEY: Just them two as far as I know.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Just the two of them?
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: But they, they both Jason and Damien did it to two of the boys and they took turns?
*B74 MISSKELLEY: Mm-hmm.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: And they would hold, you, tell me again about their hands on, I mean I know you're, you're holding it up here.
*B75 MISSKELLEY: It was up here by their heads and stuff and was just pulling and stuff.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, so they are up here, had their hands
*B76 MISSKELLEY: By their ears and pulling them and stuff.
DETECTIVE GITCHELL: Alright, okay, say, say that again for me now.
*B77 MISSKELLEY: Hold them by their head, by the ears and pulling