THIS IS JOHN FOGLEMAN DEPUTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR CRITTENDEN COUNTY, ARKANSAS. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1992 (SIC) 10:19 A. M. PRESENT IS MATTHEW BALDWIN PURSUANT TO PROSECUTING ATTORNEY SUBPEONA, AND BRENT DAVIS PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT, DAVIS LOFTIN, MATTHEW'S COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY, AND TERRY GRINNELL MATTHEW'S STEP-FATHER. MATTHEW IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
MATTHEW: RIGHT
FOGLEMAN: YES SIR, MATTHEW DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOUR ABOUT TO GIVE PURSUANT TO THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY'S SUBPEONA IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
MATTHEW: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW OLD ARE YOU MATTHEW?
MATTHEW: 14
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN IS YOUR BIRTH DATE?
MATTHEW: APRIL 23, 1979
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WOULD YOU JUST FOR THE RECORD WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE?
MATTHEW: WELL (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: YOUR FULL NAME?
MATTHEW: LARRY MATTHEW BALDWIN, UM ROUTE 2 BOX 913
245 WEST (INAUDIBLE) SOUTHLAKE DRIVE, MARION, ARKANSAS
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, IS THAT IN LAKESHORE TRAILER PARK?
MATTHEW: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL?
MATTHEW: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN SCHOOL?
MATTHEW: 9TH
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, I MEAN DO YOU GO TO MARION?
MATTHEW: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHO ARE SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS?
MATTHEW: DEWAYNE HODGE, ADAM PHILLIPS, KENNY NEWEL
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ARE, WHO LIVES THERE AT THE TRAILER WITH YOU?
MATTHEW: UM, MY MOM, MY DAD, AND MY LITTLE BROTHER, AND MY BIG BROTHER BUT HE AIN'T HERE RIGHT NOW
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOUR LITTLE BROTHERS NAME IS?
MATTHEW: UM, TERRY RAY GRINNELL
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND HOW OLD IS HE?
MATTHEW: 9, I MEAN 10
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, I WANT YOU TO YOU TO THINK BACK TO EITHER LATE APRIL OR EARLY MAY, UM DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN IT WAS WHEN YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR STEP-FATHER MR. GRINNELL SEPARATED?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY SEPARATED
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?
MATTHEW: I THINK IT WAS APRIL OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL DO UH YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE LITTLE BOYS WERE MURDERED?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW LONG BEFORE THAT WAS IT, WHEN THEY SEPARATED?
MATTHEW: UM, 3 OR 4 5 WEEKS BEFORE THAT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, 3 OR 4 5 WEEKS, ALRIGHT, AND THEN WHEN DID HE COME BACK ABOUT SAY AFTER THE MURDERS ABOUT HOW, OR LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, BEFORE YOUR BROTHER WAS ARRESTED ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW LONG BEFORE YOUR BROTHER WAS ARRESTED DID HE YOUR STEP-FATHER COME BACK?
MATTHEW: UM ABOUT 3 WEEKS, 2 WEEKS BEFORE JASON WAS ARRESTED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW LONG AFTER THE MURDERS WAS IT WHEN HE CAME BACK?
MATTHEW: AFTER THE MURDERS?
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
MATTHEW: ABOUT 3 WEEKS AFTER THAT HE CAME BACK, COUPLE, NO ABOUT COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THE MURDERS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, DURING THE TIME DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS LIVING, WHEN HE WASN'T LIVING WITH YOU ALL?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHERE WAS HE LIVING?
MATTHEW: OVER HIS MOM'S HOUSE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU ALL TALK TO HIM?
MATTHEW: WE NEVER DID, TILL HE CAME BACK
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEVER DID TALK TO HIM ON THE PHONE OR ANYTHING? OKAY
MATTHEW: MY MOM DID
FOGLEMAN: YOUR MOM DID? OKAY, WHAT SHIFT OR SCHEDULE DOES YOUR MOM WORK?
MATTHEW: SHE LEAVE ABOUT, SHE LEAVES AT 2:30 AND COMES HOME AT 11, SHE LEAVES WORK AT 11 AND GETS HOME ABOUT 11:20.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THAT'S AT SOME TRUCKING COMPANY, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT?
MATTHEW: CTI TRUCKING
FOGLEMAN: WHAT WAS IT?
MATTHEW: CTI
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE C?
MATTHEW: CUSTOMIZED TRUCKING INC
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW LONG HAS SHE WORKED THERE DO YOU KNOW?
MATTHEW: ABOUT 2 YEARS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, MATTHEW ON MAY THE 5TH OF 1993 WHICH WAS WEDNESDAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WERE THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHERE... WHERE WERE YOU THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: I WAS UP AT WAL-MART
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO WAL-MART?
MATTHEW: I LEFT ABOUT 20 MINUTES AFTER MY BROTHER DID AND I WENT UP THERE, THEN I CAME HOME
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU LEFT ABOUT YOU LEFT THE TRAILER ABOUT 20 MINUTES AFTER YOUR BROTHER DID?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT
MATTHEW: AND THEN I WALKED UP THERE, AND I CAME HOME AROUND
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW WHAT WAS THAT IN RELATION TO UM, GETTING OUT OF SCHOOL? DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHAT TIME DO YOU GET HOME FROM SCHOOL?
MATTHEW: ABOUT 3:40 SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU RIDE THE BUS?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO YOU GET HOME IT'S ABOUT 3:40?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT HOME WHO WAS AT YOUR HOUSE?
MATTHEW: UH, DINK
FOGLEMAN: WHO'S
MATTHEW: THAT'S ONE OF MY MOM'S FRIENDS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHO ELSE WAS AT HOME AT YOUR HOUSE?
MATTHEW: MY LITTLE BROTHER
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHO ELSE?
MATTHEW: JASON CAME HOME WITH ME
FOGLEMAN: JASON CAME HOME WITH YOU?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID BEFORE JASON LEFT DID ANYBODY ELSE COME OVER?
MATTHEW: YEA, KEN
FOGLEMAN: KEN
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ANYBODY ELSE?
MATTHEW: THAT'S ALL
FOGLEMAN: HOW ABOUT DAMIEN AND DOMINI? DID THEY COME OVER?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THEY DID OVER AT MY UNCLE'S HOUSE, THEY DID, WHEN MY BROTHER WAS CUTTING HIS YARD
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, I'M TALKING ABOUT AT YOUR TRAILER?
MATTHEW: THEY MIGHT HAVE I DON'T KNOW, FOR SURE
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?
MATTHEW: NO, I WAS PROBABLY IN MY ROOM
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO IF KEN SAID THAT... THAT HE AND DAMIEN AND DOMINI CAME OVER AND PLAYED VIDEO GAMES OVER THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE YOU WOULDN'T DISPUTE THAT?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, NOW YOU SAID THAT, I TAKE IT THAT JASON LEFT THE TRAILER?
MATTHEW: YEA, JASON AND KEN DID, THEY WALKED UP TO
FOGLEMAN: DID YOU SEE THEM LEAVE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WERE THEY ALONG WHEN THEY LEFT?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?
MATTHEW: YEA, I'M SURE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW WHY KEN WOULD SAY THAT... THAT UH DAMIEN AND DOMINI WERE THERE?
MATTHEW: THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE AFTER THEY LEFT THE TRAILER, THEY MIGHT OF COME UP ON THEM
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KEN'S LAST NAME IS?
MATTHEW: WATKINS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW AFTER THEY LEFT UM, I TELL YOU WHAT BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT I'M GOING TO TURN THE TAPE OVER IT'S 10:26 A. M. OVER IT IS SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 APPROXIMATELY 10:27 A. M. SAME PERSONS PREVIOUSLY NAMED ARE PRESENT. ALRIGHT, MATTHEW WHEN, ALRIGHT, JASON AND KEN LEFT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ELSE, THEY GOT WITH ANYBODY ELSE IS THAT RIGHT?
MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) I DON'T KNOW SURE, IF DAMIEN AND DOMINI CAME, THEY PROBABLY CAME WHEN THEY WERE OUTSIDE, THEY DIDN'T COME UP, I DIDN'T SEE THEM COME IN, BECAUSE I WAS IN MY ROOM I BELIEVE SO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW THEN A LITTLE BIT LATER YOU LEFT?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT WHEN YOU LEFT YOU GOT HOME ABOUT 3:40?
MATTHEW: I PROBABLY LEFT AROUND 5 O'CLOCK, YEA 5 O'CLOCK
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU LEFT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU LEFT THE TRAILER ABOUT 30 MINUTES AFTER YOUR BROTHER?
MATTHEW: YEA, I DID
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, SO... SO YOUR BROTHER DIDN'T LEAVE THE TRAILER TILL ABOUT 4:30
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHEN YOU LEFT WHERE DID YOU GO?
MATTHEW: I WENT TO WAL-MART PLAYED SOME VIDEO GAMES AND THEN I SEEN, DINK WALK IN WITH SOME (INAUDIBLE) BAG LIKE YARN AND STUFF TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK, BUT THEY WOULDN'T TAKE IT BACK SO HE WENT OVER TO KROGER AND BOUGHT MY MOM SOME FLOWERS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT
MATTHEW: AND I FOLLOWED HIM OVER THERE SEEING WHAT WHERE HE WAS GOING AND THEN I WALKED BACK OVER THERE AND PLAYED SOME MORE VIDEO GAMES
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT
MATTHEW: AND THEN I WALKED HOME
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND THEN YOU WALKED UP TO WAL-MART, THE FIRST TIME?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ARE DID YOU WALK MY YOURSELF OR WAS SOMEBODY WITH YOU?
MATTHEW: NO, I WAS BY MYSELF
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UH, AND WHEN YOU GOT TO WAL-MART WHO WAS THERE? DID YOU SEE ANYBODY YOU KNEW?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: WAS JASON THERE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, YOU SAID DINK CAME UP THERE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND UM, DID YOU TALK TO DINK WHEN HE CAME UP THERE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: DID YOU KNOW WHETHER HE SAW YOU?
MATTHEW: YEA, HE SEEN ME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THEN HE LEFT AND WENT TO KROGER?S?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: DID HE DRIVE OR DID HE WALK?
MATTHEW: WALK, HE WAS WALKING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU FOLLOWED HIM OVER THERE TO KROGER?S?
MATTHEW: YE... YEA I FOLLOWED HIM TILL WE GOT UP THERE BY KROGER AND THEN HE WENT IN AND THEN I WALKED BACK
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHY DID YOU FOLLOW HIM?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WONDERING WHERE HE WAS GOING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, BUT, AND YOU WERE MY YOURSELF?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, THEN YOU WENT BACK TO WAL-MART?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT BACK TO WAL-MART DID YOU SEE ANYBODY YOU KNEW?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE WAL-MART?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW REALLY
FOGLEMAN: WAS IS IT UM, ABOUT HOW LONG DID YOU STAY AT WAL-MART?
MATTHEW: PROBABLY ABOUT 55 MINUTES
FOGLEMAN: ABOUT A HOUR, 55 MINUTES, UM, IS THAT BOTH TIMES COMBINED OR IS THAT THE FIRST TIME OR?
MATTHEW: YEA, ITS BOTH TIMES I WAS THERE
FOGLEMAN: ALL TOGETHER ABOUT HOUR?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND DURING THAT TIME YOU NEVER DID SEE JASON?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THEN AFTER YOU STAYED THERE ABOUT A HOUR THEN WHERE DID YOU GO?
MATTHEW: I WENT HOME
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID YOU WALK HOME MY YOURSELF?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UH, WHEN YOU GOT HOME OH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS HOW DID YOU GET HOME? WHAT, WHICH WAY DID YOU WALK?
MATTHEW: I WALKED UP THE WING DOOR OUT IN FRONT OF WAL-MART YOU GO TO THE BIG HILL AND GET UP ON THE INTERSTATE AND THEN GO ON AROUND THE INTERSTATE
FOGLEMAN: YOU WALKED ON THE INTERSTATE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, TO LAKESHORE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT HOME WHAT DID YOU DO?
MATTHEW: I WENT IN THERE AND PLAYED SOME SUPER NINTENDO AND THEN I WALKED IN MY ROOM AND LAID DOWN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, DID YOU WATCH ANY TV OR ANYTHING? THAT YOU REMEMBER?
MATTHEW: YEAH, I BELIEVE SO, I KNOW I WALKED IN MY ROOM I WAS SITTING THERE AND THEN, JASON CAME IN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN HE CAME IN?
MATTHEW: AROUND 7 7:30
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, 7 OR 7:30
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, WAS ANYBODY WITH HIM?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHO WAS WITH HIM?
MATTHEW: KEN
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DI... DO YOU REMEMBER DAMIEN BEING THERE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH, JASON TOLD ME THAT DAMIEN WAS OVER THERE AT UNCLE?S WITH HIM, AND THEN HE CALLED HIS MOM OR SOMETHING AND HIS MOM CAME AND GOT HIM
FOGLEMAN: THAT'S WHAT JASON TOLD YOU?
MATTHEW: UH-HUH
FOGLEMAN: BUT (INAUDIBLE) YOUR SAYING DAMIEN WAS NOT AT YOUR TRAILER ABOUT 7 OR 7:30?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE MATTHEW?
MATTHEW: YES
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO KEN?
MATTHEW: YEA, (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHY KEN WOULD SAY THAT DAMIEN WAS THERE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS THERE ARE NOT, I KNOW KEN WAS THROUGH
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER DAMIEN WAS THERE ARE NOT?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP, THE TAPE RECORDER CAN'T PICK UP
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, IF DAMIEN AND DOMINI WAS THERE ARE NOT
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: WERE YOU IN YOUR ROOM SOME OF THE TIME?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, LET ME STOP THIS JUST A SECOND ALRIGHT, WE ARE RESUMING THE INTERVIEW OF MATTHEW BALDWIN SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 10:33 A. M. ALRIGHT, DID YOU SEE DAMIEN AT ALL THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT
MATTHEW: NO, I (INAUDIBLE) I STAYED IN MY ROOM THAT DAY I BELIEVE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER HIM BEING AT YOUR TRAILER?
MATTHEW:
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEED TO
MATTHEW: NO, I DON'T
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU, UM, BUT YOU DO REMEMBER KEN BEING THERE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHEN UH, WHEN KEN WAS THERE YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME KEN LEFT?
MATTHEW: ABOUT NI..., HE LEFT THAT 9, FIRST UH, THEY LEFT HIM AND KEN, JASON AND KEN GO TO ADAM'S HOUSE
FOGLEMAN: ADAM WHO?
MATTHEW: ADAM PHILLIPS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHERE'S ADAM LIVE?
MATTHEW: UH, ACROSS THE TRAILER PARK
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID THEY DO THAT?
MATTHEW: AROUND 8 8 ABOUT 8:20 OR 8:30, THEY WENT OVER THERE AND UH, JASON BROUGHT A TAPE FROM HIM FOR $4.00 DOLLARS AND HE CAME HOME AND SHOWED ME THE TAPE, AND THEN HE WENT IN HIS ROOM AND THEN I HEARD KEN SAY SOMETHING HE HAD TO BE HOME AT 9, TO GO WASH SOME DISHES OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, DURING THIS TIME WHEN KEN WAS OVER THERE WERE YOU UH, YOU IN YOUR BEDROOM OR IN AND OUT OR WHERE WERE YOU?
MATTHEW: IN AND OUT OF MY BEDROOM
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU REMEMBER AROUND THIS TIME UM TAKING A KNIFE AND A MOUNTAIN CLIMBING UH PICK, TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE?
MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THAT I TOOK THAT OVER TO UH, KEN'S AND BILLY NEWEL'S HOUSE BECAUSE UH, JASON TOLD ME TO, BECAUSE THERE WERE TRYING TO BLAME HIM FOR USING IT OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: KENNY NEWEL?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT
MATTHEW: IT AIN'T KENNY NEWEL, IT WAS BILLY NEWEL
FOGLEMAN: BILLY NEWEL?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOU SAY THAT THIS WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: THAT YOU TAKE THAT BACK?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHY DIDN'T JASON TAKE IT BACK?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW
FOGLEMAN: HE TOLD YOU
MATTHEW: HE SAID HE COULDN'T GO NO WHERE
FOGLEMAN: HE COULDN'T, WHY COULDN'T HE GO ANY WHERE?
MATTHEW: BECAUSE HE WAS BABYSITTING
FOGLEMAN: FOR WHO?
MATTHEW: FOR MY MOM, HE WAS BABYSITTING ME AND MY LITTLE BROTHER
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL WHERE WAS DINK?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, OH YEA MY MOM MADE HIM LEAVE OR SOMETHING ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THAT, AND THEN HE CAME BACK, AND THEN HE CAME BACK ABOUT A COUPLE DAYS AFTER, JASON WATCHED US FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL WHO WAS WATCHING YOU ALL UM, THE DAY, MAY THE 5TH?
MATTHEW: DINK WAS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WELL WHERE WAS UM, YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WHEN UM, YOU WERE UP AT WAL-MART AND DINK WAS GOING TO WAL-MART AND KROGER?
MATTHEW: HE WAS PROBABLY OVER AT JOSH'S OR BOBBY'S
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, HOW LONG DID UM, DID JASON HAVE THIS KNIFE AND THIS MOUNTAIN CLIMBING PICK?
MATTHEW: I DON'T REALLY KNOW, I DIDN'T NOT KNOWN IT WAS UP UNDER HIS BED FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR SO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I WANT TO SHOW YOU A PHOTO COPY OF A PICTURE DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THE KNIFE THAT YOU TOOK BACK?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DOES LOOK LIKE
MATTHEW: UH-HUH, WAIT
FOGLEMAN: THIS IS A SCABBARD RIGHT HERE
MATTHEW: IT LOOKS NEWER OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: IT WAS PRETTY OLD?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DOES THAT LIKE, COURSE I KNOW THIS IS A PHOTO COPY OF A PICTURE BUT DOES LOOK LIKE THE MOUNTAIN CLIMBING PICK?
MATTHEW: IT WAS BLUE, IS THAT BLUE?
FOGLEMAN: WELL, I MAY BE IT?S A BLACK AND WHITE, HAS A POINT ON THE END, DO YOU REMEMBER?
MATTHEW: WELL, IT DIDN'T HAVE NO POINT ON THE END
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID... DID YOU RECEIVE, DID ANYBODY CALL FOR JASON THAT NIGHT ON THE TELEPHONE?
MATTHEW: WHAT NIGHT?
FOGLEMAN: ON MAY THE 5TH?
MATTHEW: WELL I DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY COULD, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, I DON'T PAY, I DON'T FOOL, I DON'T WATCH THEM ALL THE TIME, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER ANY PHONE CALLS?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER DAMIEN BEING THERE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM AT ALL THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DON'T DAMIEN AND JASON RUN AROUND TOGETHER A LOT?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM TOGETHER AT ALL THAT DAY?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU REMEMBER UH, THE DAY AFTER THAT?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER THAT?
MATTHEW: THE DAY AFTER THAT, I KNOW DAMIEN WAS OVER THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I THINK JESSIE CAME OVER THAT NIGHT, JESSIE AND SOME GIRL WERE IN A TRUCK
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
MATTHEW: SOME GIRL IN TRUCK WERE TRYING TO GET DAMIEN TO COME OVER THERE, BUT DAMIEN DIDN'T WANT TO COME OVER THERE
FOGLEMAN: THAT'S THE NEXT... THAT WAS THE NEXT DAY?
MATTHEW: I THINK SO, YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE GIRL IN THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: KNOW WHO SHE WAS?
MATTHEW: SHE DIDN'T COME IN, SHE STAYED IN THE TRUCK
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
MATTHEW: AND THEN JESSIE LEFT IN THE TRUCK, AND DAMIEN STAYED OVER MY HOUSE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID DAMIEN SPEND THE NIGHT THERE THAT NIGHT?
MATTHEW: I THINK SO, I DON'T
FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH, CAUSE HE ALWAYS BE SPENDING, SPENDING THE NIGHT SOMETIMES, BUT MOST OF THE TIME HIS MOM WON'T LET HIM, CAUSE SHE MAKES HIM COME HOME ABOUT 7 O'CLOCK, 6 O'CLOCK
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
MATTHEW: SHE BRINGS HIM OVER TO OUR HOUSE AND COMES AND PICKS HIM UP
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW OFTEN WOULD DAMIEN AND JASON BE TOGETHER?
MATTHEW: ABOUT 2 HOURS BECAUSE HIS MOM WOULD BRING HIM OVER ABOUT 4 O'CLOCK AND PICK HIM UP ABOUT 6
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WOULD THEY SEE EACH OTHER ONCE A WEEK OR HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY SEE EACH OTHER IN THAT RESPECT? ONCE WEEK, ONCE MONTH, EVERY DAY?
MATTHEW: ABOUT EVERYDAY
FOGLEMAN: ABOUT EVERYDAY?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAMIEN DID WITH THAT BELT THAT HE HAD THAT HAS THE LITTLE METAL STUDS ON IT?
MATTHEW: I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD A BELT
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER HIM WEARING A BELT LIKE THAT?
MATTHEW: I KNOW HE HAD A BELT THAT HAD A LITTLE METAL END OR SOMETHING, THAT WAS PLASTIC OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT IT LOOK METAL?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BELT?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU REMEMBER LITTLE LEATHER THAT DAMIEN WOULD WEAR AROUND HIS WAIST THAT HAD LITTLE METAL LOOKING STUDS ON IT?
MATTHEW: HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE
FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: DOMINI SAYS HE HAD ONE
MATTHEW: I DON'T REMEMBER ONE, I KNOW HE HAD THAT BELT THOUGH, I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD THAT LITTLE BRACELET
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT
MATTHEW: CAUSE HE ALWAYS WORE LONG SLEEVE SHIRTS MOST OF THE TIME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) HE DID
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BIG LONG BLACK COAT HE WORE?
MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) HIS TRENCH COAT?
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
MATTHEW: HE TRADED ONE TO JASON BUT HE... HE GOT ANOTHER ONE, FROM BOY NAMED BLAME
FOGLEMAN: BLAME
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE, WHERE IT WOULD BE?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
MATTHEW: POLICE COULD OF TOOK IT OR (INAUDIBLE)
FOGLEMAN: WERE YOU THERE THE NIGHT THE POLICE CAME AND SEARCH YOUR TRAILER?
MATTHEW: YES
FOGLEMAN: YOU WERE AT HOME?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHO ELSE WAS THERE?
MATTHEW: MY DAD AND MY MOM
GRINNELL: SHE WAS AT WORK
MATTHEW: I KNOW BUT SHE CAME HOME WHEN THEY WERE SEARCHING IT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHY YOUR MOM WOULD OF ACCUSED YOUR DAD OF TURNING JASON IN FOR THE REWARD MONEY?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HAS JASON TOLD YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT?
MATTHEW:
FOGLEMAN: YOU NEED TO ANSWER OUT LOUD
MATTHEW: NO... NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO HE HASN'T TOLD YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
MATTHEW: NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU, (INAUDIBLE) DO YOU KNOW WHO HOLLY IS?
MATTHEW: IT'S ONE OF JASON'S OLD GIRLFRIENDS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW ABOUT HEATHER?
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: WHO?S HEATHER?
MATTHEW: SO GIRL THAT LIVES OFF FROM WEST MEMPHIS THAT JASON MEET AT THE SKATING RINK SO NIGHT
FOGLEMAN: WERE THEY EVER BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?
MATTHEW: WHO JASON AND HEATHER?
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH
MATTHEW: YEA
FOGLEMAN: HOW LONG WERE THEY BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, LONG TIME ABOUT 3 OR 4 WEEKS OR MORE
FOGLEMAN: BEFORE THE MURDERS OR BEFORE THE, HE WAS ARRESTED WHEN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WERE THEY BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?
MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, BEFORE THE MURDERS OR AFTER THE MURDERS, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER? OKAY, THAT'S FIND, UM, DID YOU EVER GO ANY WHERE WITH JASON AND DAMIEN?
MATTHEW: UH-UH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
MATTHEW: NO
FOGLEMAN: DID YOU EVER ASK THEM TO LET YOU GO WITH THEM ANY WHERE THAT THEY WHAT?
MATTHEW: UH-UH NO, MOST OF THE TIME WHERE EVER THEY WENT, YEA, I WENT A COUPLE OF PLACES WITH THEM, WAL-MART, AND JASON'S WOULD ALWAYS BE GOING UP THERE AND PLAYING THAT STREET PUTTING TO UP THERE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES THIS INTERVIEW OF MATTHEW BALDWIN AT 10:44 A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993.
