THIS IS JOHN FOGLEMAN DEPUTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR CRITTENDEN COUNTY, ARKANSAS. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1992 (SIC) 10:19 A. M. PRESENT IS MATTHEW BALDWIN PURSUANT TO PROSECUTING ATTORNEY SUBPEONA, AND BRENT DAVIS PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT, DAVIS LOFTIN, MATTHEW'S COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY, AND TERRY GRINNELL MATTHEW'S STEP-FATHER. MATTHEW IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND

MATTHEW: RIGHT

FOGLEMAN: YES SIR, MATTHEW DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOUR ABOUT TO GIVE PURSUANT TO THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY'S SUBPEONA IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

MATTHEW: YES SIR

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW OLD ARE YOU MATTHEW?

MATTHEW: 14

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN IS YOUR BIRTH DATE?

MATTHEW: APRIL 23, 1979

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WOULD YOU JUST FOR THE RECORD WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE?

MATTHEW: WELL (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: YOUR FULL NAME?

MATTHEW: LARRY MATTHEW BALDWIN, UM ROUTE 2 BOX 913
245 WEST (INAUDIBLE) SOUTHLAKE DRIVE, MARION, ARKANSAS

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, IS THAT IN LAKESHORE TRAILER PARK?

MATTHEW: YES SIR

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL?

MATTHEW: YES SIR

FOGLEMAN: WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN SCHOOL?

MATTHEW: 9TH

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, I MEAN DO YOU GO TO MARION?

MATTHEW: YES SIR

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHO ARE SOME OF YOUR FRIENDS?

MATTHEW: DEWAYNE HODGE, ADAM PHILLIPS, KENNY NEWEL

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ARE, WHO LIVES THERE AT THE TRAILER WITH YOU?

MATTHEW: UM, MY MOM, MY DAD, AND MY LITTLE BROTHER, AND MY BIG BROTHER BUT HE AIN'T HERE RIGHT NOW

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOUR LITTLE BROTHERS NAME IS?

MATTHEW: UM, TERRY RAY GRINNELL

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND HOW OLD IS HE?

MATTHEW: 9, I MEAN 10

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, I WANT YOU TO YOU TO THINK BACK TO EITHER LATE APRIL OR EARLY MAY, UM DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN IT WAS WHEN YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR STEP-FATHER MR. GRINNELL SEPARATED?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY SEPARATED

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?

MATTHEW: I THINK IT WAS APRIL OR SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL DO UH YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE LITTLE BOYS WERE MURDERED?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW LONG BEFORE THAT WAS IT, WHEN THEY SEPARATED?

MATTHEW: UM, 3 OR 4 5 WEEKS BEFORE THAT

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, 3 OR 4 5 WEEKS, ALRIGHT, AND THEN WHEN DID HE COME BACK ABOUT SAY AFTER THE MURDERS ABOUT HOW, OR LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, BEFORE YOUR BROTHER WAS ARRESTED ABOUT HOW ABOUT HOW LONG BEFORE YOUR BROTHER WAS ARRESTED DID HE YOUR STEP-FATHER COME BACK?

MATTHEW: UM ABOUT 3 WEEKS, 2 WEEKS BEFORE JASON WAS ARRESTED

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW LONG AFTER THE MURDERS WAS IT WHEN HE CAME BACK?

MATTHEW: AFTER THE MURDERS?

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

MATTHEW: ABOUT 3 WEEKS AFTER THAT HE CAME BACK, COUPLE, NO ABOUT COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THE MURDERS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, DURING THE TIME DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS LIVING, WHEN HE WASN'T LIVING WITH YOU ALL?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHERE WAS HE LIVING?

MATTHEW: OVER HIS MOM'S HOUSE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU ALL TALK TO HIM?

MATTHEW: WE NEVER DID, TILL HE CAME BACK

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEVER DID TALK TO HIM ON THE PHONE OR ANYTHING? OKAY

MATTHEW: MY MOM DID

FOGLEMAN: YOUR MOM DID? OKAY, WHAT SHIFT OR SCHEDULE DOES YOUR MOM WORK?

MATTHEW: SHE LEAVE ABOUT, SHE LEAVES AT 2:30 AND COMES HOME AT 11, SHE LEAVES WORK AT 11 AND GETS HOME ABOUT 11:20.

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THAT'S AT SOME TRUCKING COMPANY, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT?

MATTHEW: CTI TRUCKING

FOGLEMAN: WHAT WAS IT?

MATTHEW: CTI

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE C?

MATTHEW: CUSTOMIZED TRUCKING INC

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW LONG HAS SHE WORKED THERE DO YOU KNOW?

MATTHEW: ABOUT 2 YEARS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, MATTHEW ON MAY THE 5TH OF 1993 WHICH WAS WEDNESDAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WERE THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHERE... WHERE WERE YOU THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: I WAS UP AT WAL-MART

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO WAL-MART?

MATTHEW: I LEFT ABOUT 20 MINUTES AFTER MY BROTHER DID AND I WENT UP THERE, THEN I CAME HOME

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU LEFT ABOUT YOU LEFT THE TRAILER ABOUT 20 MINUTES AFTER YOUR BROTHER DID?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT

MATTHEW: AND THEN I WALKED UP THERE, AND I CAME HOME AROUND

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW WHAT WAS THAT IN RELATION TO UM, GETTING OUT OF SCHOOL? DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHAT TIME DO YOU GET HOME FROM SCHOOL?

MATTHEW: ABOUT 3:40 SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: DO YOU RIDE THE BUS?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO YOU GET HOME IT'S ABOUT 3:40?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT HOME WHO WAS AT YOUR HOUSE?

MATTHEW: UH, DINK

FOGLEMAN: WHO'S

MATTHEW: THAT'S ONE OF MY MOM'S FRIENDS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHO ELSE WAS AT HOME AT YOUR HOUSE?

MATTHEW: MY LITTLE BROTHER

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHO ELSE?

MATTHEW: JASON CAME HOME WITH ME

FOGLEMAN: JASON CAME HOME WITH YOU?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID BEFORE JASON LEFT DID ANYBODY ELSE COME OVER?

MATTHEW: YEA, KEN

FOGLEMAN: KEN

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ANYBODY ELSE?

MATTHEW: THAT'S ALL

FOGLEMAN: HOW ABOUT DAMIEN AND DOMINI? DID THEY COME OVER?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THEY DID OVER AT MY UNCLE'S HOUSE, THEY DID, WHEN MY BROTHER WAS CUTTING HIS YARD

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, I'M TALKING ABOUT AT YOUR TRAILER?

MATTHEW: THEY MIGHT HAVE I DON'T KNOW, FOR SURE

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?

MATTHEW: NO, I WAS PROBABLY IN MY ROOM

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO IF KEN SAID THAT... THAT HE AND DAMIEN AND DOMINI CAME OVER AND PLAYED VIDEO GAMES OVER THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE YOU WOULDN'T DISPUTE THAT?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, NOW YOU SAID THAT, I TAKE IT THAT JASON LEFT THE TRAILER?

MATTHEW: YEA, JASON AND KEN DID, THEY WALKED UP TO

FOGLEMAN: DID YOU SEE THEM LEAVE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WERE THEY ALONG WHEN THEY LEFT?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?

MATTHEW: YEA, I'M SURE

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW WHY KEN WOULD SAY THAT... THAT UH DAMIEN AND DOMINI WERE THERE?

MATTHEW: THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE AFTER THEY LEFT THE TRAILER, THEY MIGHT OF COME UP ON THEM

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KEN'S LAST NAME IS?

MATTHEW: WATKINS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW AFTER THEY LEFT UM, I TELL YOU WHAT BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT I'M GOING TO TURN THE TAPE OVER IT'S 10:26 A. M. OVER IT IS SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 APPROXIMATELY 10:27 A. M. SAME PERSONS PREVIOUSLY NAMED ARE PRESENT. ALRIGHT, MATTHEW WHEN, ALRIGHT, JASON AND KEN LEFT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY ELSE, THEY GOT WITH ANYBODY ELSE IS THAT RIGHT?

MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) I DON'T KNOW SURE, IF DAMIEN AND DOMINI CAME, THEY PROBABLY CAME WHEN THEY WERE OUTSIDE, THEY DIDN'T COME UP, I DIDN'T SEE THEM COME IN, BECAUSE I WAS IN MY ROOM I BELIEVE SO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW THEN A LITTLE BIT LATER YOU LEFT?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT WHEN YOU LEFT YOU GOT HOME ABOUT 3:40?

MATTHEW: I PROBABLY LEFT AROUND 5 O'CLOCK, YEA 5 O'CLOCK

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU LEFT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU LEFT THE TRAILER ABOUT 30 MINUTES AFTER YOUR BROTHER?

MATTHEW: YEA, I DID

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, SO... SO YOUR BROTHER DIDN'T LEAVE THE TRAILER TILL ABOUT 4:30

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHEN YOU LEFT WHERE DID YOU GO?

MATTHEW: I WENT TO WAL-MART PLAYED SOME VIDEO GAMES AND THEN I SEEN, DINK WALK IN WITH SOME (INAUDIBLE) BAG LIKE YARN AND STUFF TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK, BUT THEY WOULDN'T TAKE IT BACK SO HE WENT OVER TO KROGER AND BOUGHT MY MOM SOME FLOWERS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT

MATTHEW: AND I FOLLOWED HIM OVER THERE SEEING WHAT WHERE HE WAS GOING AND THEN I WALKED BACK OVER THERE AND PLAYED SOME MORE VIDEO GAMES

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT

MATTHEW: AND THEN I WALKED HOME

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND THEN YOU WALKED UP TO WAL-MART, THE FIRST TIME?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ARE DID YOU WALK MY YOURSELF OR WAS SOMEBODY WITH YOU?

MATTHEW: NO, I WAS BY MYSELF

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UH, AND WHEN YOU GOT TO WAL-MART WHO WAS THERE? DID YOU SEE ANYBODY YOU KNEW?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: WAS JASON THERE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, YOU SAID DINK CAME UP THERE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND UM, DID YOU TALK TO DINK WHEN HE CAME UP THERE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: DID YOU KNOW WHETHER HE SAW YOU?

MATTHEW: YEA, HE SEEN ME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THEN HE LEFT AND WENT TO KROGER?S?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: DID HE DRIVE OR DID HE WALK?

MATTHEW: WALK, HE WAS WALKING

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU FOLLOWED HIM OVER THERE TO KROGER?S?

MATTHEW: YE... YEA I FOLLOWED HIM TILL WE GOT UP THERE BY KROGER AND THEN HE WENT IN AND THEN I WALKED BACK

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHY DID YOU FOLLOW HIM?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WONDERING WHERE HE WAS GOING

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, BUT, AND YOU WERE MY YOURSELF?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, THEN YOU WENT BACK TO WAL-MART?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT BACK TO WAL-MART DID YOU SEE ANYBODY YOU KNEW?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE WAL-MART?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW REALLY

FOGLEMAN: WAS IS IT UM, ABOUT HOW LONG DID YOU STAY AT WAL-MART?

MATTHEW: PROBABLY ABOUT 55 MINUTES

FOGLEMAN: ABOUT A HOUR, 55 MINUTES, UM, IS THAT BOTH TIMES COMBINED OR IS THAT THE FIRST TIME OR?

MATTHEW: YEA, ITS BOTH TIMES I WAS THERE

FOGLEMAN: ALL TOGETHER ABOUT HOUR?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND DURING THAT TIME YOU NEVER DID SEE JASON?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THEN AFTER YOU STAYED THERE ABOUT A HOUR THEN WHERE DID YOU GO?

MATTHEW: I WENT HOME

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID YOU WALK HOME MY YOURSELF?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UH, WHEN YOU GOT HOME OH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS HOW DID YOU GET HOME? WHAT, WHICH WAY DID YOU WALK?

MATTHEW: I WALKED UP THE WING DOOR OUT IN FRONT OF WAL-MART YOU GO TO THE BIG HILL AND GET UP ON THE INTERSTATE AND THEN GO ON AROUND THE INTERSTATE

FOGLEMAN: YOU WALKED ON THE INTERSTATE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, TO LAKESHORE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU GOT HOME WHAT DID YOU DO?

MATTHEW: I WENT IN THERE AND PLAYED SOME SUPER NINTENDO AND THEN I WALKED IN MY ROOM AND LAID DOWN

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, DID YOU WATCH ANY TV OR ANYTHING? THAT YOU REMEMBER?

MATTHEW: YEAH, I BELIEVE SO, I KNOW I WALKED IN MY ROOM I WAS SITTING THERE AND THEN, JASON CAME IN

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN HE CAME IN?

MATTHEW: AROUND 7 7:30

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, 7 OR 7:30

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, WAS ANYBODY WITH HIM?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHO WAS WITH HIM?

MATTHEW: KEN

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DI... DO YOU REMEMBER DAMIEN BEING THERE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH, JASON TOLD ME THAT DAMIEN WAS OVER THERE AT UNCLE?S WITH HIM, AND THEN HE CALLED HIS MOM OR SOMETHING AND HIS MOM CAME AND GOT HIM

FOGLEMAN: THAT'S WHAT JASON TOLD YOU?

MATTHEW: UH-HUH

FOGLEMAN: BUT (INAUDIBLE) YOUR SAYING DAMIEN WAS NOT AT YOUR TRAILER ABOUT 7 OR 7:30?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE MATTHEW?

MATTHEW: YES

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO KEN?

MATTHEW: YEA, (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHY KEN WOULD SAY THAT DAMIEN WAS THERE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS THERE ARE NOT, I KNOW KEN WAS THROUGH

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER DAMIEN WAS THERE ARE NOT?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP, THE TAPE RECORDER CAN'T PICK UP

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, IF DAMIEN AND DOMINI WAS THERE ARE NOT

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: WERE YOU IN YOUR ROOM SOME OF THE TIME?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, LET ME STOP THIS JUST A SECOND ALRIGHT, WE ARE RESUMING THE INTERVIEW OF MATTHEW BALDWIN SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993 10:33 A. M. ALRIGHT, DID YOU SEE DAMIEN AT ALL THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT

MATTHEW: NO, I (INAUDIBLE) I STAYED IN MY ROOM THAT DAY I BELIEVE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER HIM BEING AT YOUR TRAILER?

MATTHEW:

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU NEED TO

MATTHEW: NO, I DON'T

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU, UM, BUT YOU DO REMEMBER KEN BEING THERE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHEN UH, WHEN KEN WAS THERE YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME KEN LEFT?

MATTHEW: ABOUT NI..., HE LEFT THAT 9, FIRST UH, THEY LEFT HIM AND KEN, JASON AND KEN GO TO ADAM'S HOUSE

FOGLEMAN: ADAM WHO?

MATTHEW: ADAM PHILLIPS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHERE'S ADAM LIVE?

MATTHEW: UH, ACROSS THE TRAILER PARK

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID THEY DO THAT?

MATTHEW: AROUND 8 8 ABOUT 8:20 OR 8:30, THEY WENT OVER THERE AND UH, JASON BROUGHT A TAPE FROM HIM FOR $4.00 DOLLARS AND HE CAME HOME AND SHOWED ME THE TAPE, AND THEN HE WENT IN HIS ROOM AND THEN I HEARD KEN SAY SOMETHING HE HAD TO BE HOME AT 9, TO GO WASH SOME DISHES OR SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, DURING THIS TIME WHEN KEN WAS OVER THERE WERE YOU UH, YOU IN YOUR BEDROOM OR IN AND OUT OR WHERE WERE YOU?

MATTHEW: IN AND OUT OF MY BEDROOM

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU REMEMBER AROUND THIS TIME UM TAKING A KNIFE AND A MOUNTAIN CLIMBING UH PICK, TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE?

MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THAT I TOOK THAT OVER TO UH, KEN'S AND BILLY NEWEL'S HOUSE BECAUSE UH, JASON TOLD ME TO, BECAUSE THERE WERE TRYING TO BLAME HIM FOR USING IT OR SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: KENNY NEWEL?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT

MATTHEW: IT AIN'T KENNY NEWEL, IT WAS BILLY NEWEL

FOGLEMAN: BILLY NEWEL?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOU SAY THAT THIS WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: THAT YOU TAKE THAT BACK?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHY DIDN'T JASON TAKE IT BACK?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW

FOGLEMAN: HE TOLD YOU

MATTHEW: HE SAID HE COULDN'T GO NO WHERE

FOGLEMAN: HE COULDN'T, WHY COULDN'T HE GO ANY WHERE?

MATTHEW: BECAUSE HE WAS BABYSITTING

FOGLEMAN: FOR WHO?

MATTHEW: FOR MY MOM, HE WAS BABYSITTING ME AND MY LITTLE BROTHER

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL WHERE WAS DINK?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, OH YEA MY MOM MADE HIM LEAVE OR SOMETHING ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THAT, AND THEN HE CAME BACK, AND THEN HE CAME BACK ABOUT A COUPLE DAYS AFTER, JASON WATCHED US FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WELL WHO WAS WATCHING YOU ALL UM, THE DAY, MAY THE 5TH?

MATTHEW: DINK WAS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WELL WHERE WAS UM, YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WHEN UM, YOU WERE UP AT WAL-MART AND DINK WAS GOING TO WAL-MART AND KROGER?

MATTHEW: HE WAS PROBABLY OVER AT JOSH'S OR BOBBY'S

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, HOW LONG DID UM, DID JASON HAVE THIS KNIFE AND THIS MOUNTAIN CLIMBING PICK?

MATTHEW: I DON'T REALLY KNOW, I DIDN'T NOT KNOWN IT WAS UP UNDER HIS BED FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR SO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I WANT TO SHOW YOU A PHOTO COPY OF A PICTURE DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THE KNIFE THAT YOU TOOK BACK?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DOES LOOK LIKE

MATTHEW: UH-HUH, WAIT

FOGLEMAN: THIS IS A SCABBARD RIGHT HERE

MATTHEW: IT LOOKS NEWER OR SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: IT WAS PRETTY OLD?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DOES THAT LIKE, COURSE I KNOW THIS IS A PHOTO COPY OF A PICTURE BUT DOES LOOK LIKE THE MOUNTAIN CLIMBING PICK?

MATTHEW: IT WAS BLUE, IS THAT BLUE?

FOGLEMAN: WELL, I MAY BE IT?S A BLACK AND WHITE, HAS A POINT ON THE END, DO YOU REMEMBER?

MATTHEW: WELL, IT DIDN'T HAVE NO POINT ON THE END

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID... DID YOU RECEIVE, DID ANYBODY CALL FOR JASON THAT NIGHT ON THE TELEPHONE?

MATTHEW: WHAT NIGHT?

FOGLEMAN: ON MAY THE 5TH?

MATTHEW: WELL I DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY COULD, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, I DON'T PAY, I DON'T FOOL, I DON'T WATCH THEM ALL THE TIME, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER ANY PHONE CALLS?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER DAMIEN BEING THERE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM AT ALL THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DON'T DAMIEN AND JASON RUN AROUND TOGETHER A LOT?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THEM TOGETHER AT ALL THAT DAY?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU REMEMBER UH, THE DAY AFTER THAT?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED THE DAY AFTER THAT?

MATTHEW: THE DAY AFTER THAT, I KNOW DAMIEN WAS OVER THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I THINK JESSIE CAME OVER THAT NIGHT, JESSIE AND SOME GIRL WERE IN A TRUCK

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

MATTHEW: SOME GIRL IN TRUCK WERE TRYING TO GET DAMIEN TO COME OVER THERE, BUT DAMIEN DIDN'T WANT TO COME OVER THERE

FOGLEMAN: THAT'S THE NEXT... THAT WAS THE NEXT DAY?

MATTHEW: I THINK SO, YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE GIRL IN THE TRUCK LOOK LIKE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: KNOW WHO SHE WAS?

MATTHEW: SHE DIDN'T COME IN, SHE STAYED IN THE TRUCK

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

MATTHEW: AND THEN JESSIE LEFT IN THE TRUCK, AND DAMIEN STAYED OVER MY HOUSE

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DID DAMIEN SPEND THE NIGHT THERE THAT NIGHT?

MATTHEW: I THINK SO, I DON'T

FOGLEMAN: OKAY,

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH, CAUSE HE ALWAYS BE SPENDING, SPENDING THE NIGHT SOMETIMES, BUT MOST OF THE TIME HIS MOM WON'T LET HIM, CAUSE SHE MAKES HIM COME HOME ABOUT 7 O'CLOCK, 6 O'CLOCK

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

MATTHEW: SHE BRINGS HIM OVER TO OUR HOUSE AND COMES AND PICKS HIM UP

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW OFTEN WOULD DAMIEN AND JASON BE TOGETHER?

MATTHEW: ABOUT 2 HOURS BECAUSE HIS MOM WOULD BRING HIM OVER ABOUT 4 O'CLOCK AND PICK HIM UP ABOUT 6

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WOULD THEY SEE EACH OTHER ONCE A WEEK OR HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY SEE EACH OTHER IN THAT RESPECT? ONCE WEEK, ONCE MONTH, EVERY DAY?

MATTHEW: ABOUT EVERYDAY

FOGLEMAN: ABOUT EVERYDAY?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAMIEN DID WITH THAT BELT THAT HE HAD THAT HAS THE LITTLE METAL STUDS ON IT?

MATTHEW: I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD A BELT

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER HIM WEARING A BELT LIKE THAT?

MATTHEW: I KNOW HE HAD A BELT THAT HAD A LITTLE METAL END OR SOMETHING, THAT WAS PLASTIC OR SOMETHING

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT IT LOOK METAL?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BELT?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: DO YOU REMEMBER LITTLE LEATHER THAT DAMIEN WOULD WEAR AROUND HIS WAIST THAT HAD LITTLE METAL LOOKING STUDS ON IT?

MATTHEW: HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE

FOGLEMAN: ARE YOU SURE?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: DOMINI SAYS HE HAD ONE

MATTHEW: I DON'T REMEMBER ONE, I KNOW HE HAD THAT BELT THOUGH, I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD THAT LITTLE BRACELET

FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT

MATTHEW: CAUSE HE ALWAYS WORE LONG SLEEVE SHIRTS MOST OF THE TIME

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) HE DID

FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT BIG LONG BLACK COAT HE WORE?

MATTHEW: (INAUDIBLE) HIS TRENCH COAT?

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

MATTHEW: HE TRADED ONE TO JASON BUT HE... HE GOT ANOTHER ONE, FROM BOY NAMED BLAME

FOGLEMAN: BLAME

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE, WHERE IT WOULD BE?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY,

MATTHEW: POLICE COULD OF TOOK IT OR (INAUDIBLE)

FOGLEMAN: WERE YOU THERE THE NIGHT THE POLICE CAME AND SEARCH YOUR TRAILER?

MATTHEW: YES

FOGLEMAN: YOU WERE AT HOME?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHO ELSE WAS THERE?

MATTHEW: MY DAD AND MY MOM

GRINNELL: SHE WAS AT WORK

MATTHEW: I KNOW BUT SHE CAME HOME WHEN THEY WERE SEARCHING IT

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHY YOUR MOM WOULD OF ACCUSED YOUR DAD OF TURNING JASON IN FOR THE REWARD MONEY?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HAS JASON TOLD YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT?

MATTHEW:

FOGLEMAN: YOU NEED TO ANSWER OUT LOUD

MATTHEW: NO... NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO HE HASN'T TOLD YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

MATTHEW: NO

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU, (INAUDIBLE) DO YOU KNOW WHO HOLLY IS?

MATTHEW: IT'S ONE OF JASON'S OLD GIRLFRIENDS

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW ABOUT HEATHER?

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: WHO?S HEATHER?

MATTHEW: SO GIRL THAT LIVES OFF FROM WEST MEMPHIS THAT JASON MEET AT THE SKATING RINK SO NIGHT

FOGLEMAN: WERE THEY EVER BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?

MATTHEW: WHO JASON AND HEATHER?

FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH

MATTHEW: YEA

FOGLEMAN: HOW LONG WERE THEY BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, LONG TIME ABOUT 3 OR 4 WEEKS OR MORE

FOGLEMAN: BEFORE THE MURDERS OR BEFORE THE, HE WAS ARRESTED WHEN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WERE THEY BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND?

MATTHEW: I DON'T KNOW, BEFORE THE MURDERS OR AFTER THE MURDERS, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE

FOGLEMAN: YOU DON'T REMEMBER? OKAY, THAT'S FIND, UM, DID YOU EVER GO ANY WHERE WITH JASON AND DAMIEN?

MATTHEW: UH-UH

FOGLEMAN: OKAY

MATTHEW: NO

FOGLEMAN: DID YOU EVER ASK THEM TO LET YOU GO WITH THEM ANY WHERE THAT THEY WHAT?

MATTHEW: UH-UH NO, MOST OF THE TIME WHERE EVER THEY WENT, YEA, I WENT A COUPLE OF PLACES WITH THEM, WAL-MART, AND JASON'S WOULD ALWAYS BE GOING UP THERE AND PLAYING THAT STREET PUTTING TO UP THERE

FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES THIS INTERVIEW OF MATTHEW BALDWIN AT 10:44 A. M. SEPTEMBER 23RD 1993.