STATEMENT OF PAMELA HUTCHISON 05-16-93
xx-xx-58 F/W
RIDGE: THIS IS DET. BRYN RIDGE OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, CURRENTLY IN THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WITH DET. LT. JAMES SUDSBURY AND YOUR NAME MA'AM?
HUTCHISON: PAMELA HUTCHISON
RIDGE: PAMELA, SPELL HUTCHISON
HUTCHISON: H U T C H I S O N
RIDGE: OKAY, MS. HUTCHISON, WE ARE CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATH OF THREE YOUNG BOYS, ON MAY 5TH, 1993, ON OR ABOUT THAT DATE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT INVESTIGATION?
HUTCHISON: YES SIR
RIDGE: OKAY, AND YOU DROVE YOURSELF UP HERE, YOU'RE HERE OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL?
HUTCHISON: YES SIR
RIDGE: OKAY, UH, FIRST THING WE DO IS A STANDARD DESCRIPTION SHEET, I'M SHOWING THAT SHEET TO YOU. JUST FAMILY, RELATIVES, LOCATION, EMPLOYEE AND SUCH AS THAT.
HUTCHISON: OKAY
RIDGE: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NAMES THAT YOU ARE KNOWN AS?
HUTCHISON: PAMELA ECHOLS
RIDGE: PAMELA ECHOLS? IS THAT YOUR MAIDEN NAME OR
HUTCHISON: NO, FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE.
RIDGE: SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER?
HUTCHISON: xxx-xx-xxxx
RIDGE: AND YOU BIRTH DATE?
HUTCHISON: xx-xx-58
RIDGE: AND HOW OLD ARE YOU?
HUTCHISON: 34
RIDGE: AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE?
HUTCHISON: 2706 S. GROVE
RIDGE: IN WEST MEMPHIS?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: PHONE NUMBER?
HUTCHISON: 732-4018
RIDGE: AND DO YOU WORK ANYWHERE?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T.
RIDGE: HOUSEWIFE?
HUTCHISON: YES.
RIDGE: UH, WHAT WAS THE LAST JOB THAT YOU HAD ANYWHERE?
HUTCHISON: UH, I WAS LICENSED IN OREGON AS A STATE CARE GIVER FOR THE ADULT RELATIVE FOSTER CARE. I TOOK CARE OF MY MOTHER, SHE WAS
RIDGE: SOMEWHAT OF A NURSE OR ?
HUTCHISON: YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT
RIDGE: OR AIDE?
HUTCHISON: LIKE AN AIDE.
RIDGE: OKAY, DO YOU HAVE A DRIVERS LICENSE?
HUTCHISON: YES I DO
RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW YOUR NUMBER?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T.
RIDGE: IS IT THE SAME AS YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER?
HUTCHISON: NO, IT'S NOT, SOMEONE ELSE HAD MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER ON THEIR DRIVERS LICENSE, SO I COULDN'T.
RIDGE: OKAY, YOUR MIDDLE NAME IS JOYCE?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER IN THE STATE OF ARKANSAS IS xxxxxxxxx. THE FORM SHOWS LOCATION OF ARREST, YOU'RE NOT UNDER ARREST, THIS IS JUST A INTERVIEW, AT THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHERE WERE YOU BORN?
HUTCHISON: COVINGTON, TN.
RIDGE: AND IT SAYS, ARRESTED WITH, AND YOU'RE NOT UNDER ARREST AND YOU AND HERE ALONE. HOW TALL ARE YOU?
HUTCHISON: I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY 5'6"
RIDGE: AND YOUR WEIGHT?
HUTCHISON: UH, ABOUT 198
RIDGE: COLOR OF EYES?
HUTCHISON: BROWN
RIDGE: BLACK HAIR, ANY SCARS OR MARKS, TATTOOS, OR ANYTHING NOTICEABLE ABOUT YOUR PERSON?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: ARE YOU RIGHT HANDED OR LEFT HANDED?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT HANDED.
RIDGE: UH, THE LAST GRADE OF SCHOOL YOU COMPLETED?
HUTCHISON: I DIDN'T
RIDGE: DID YOU TAKE A GED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: ARE YOU MARRIED OR SINGLE?
HUTCHISON: MARRIED
RIDGE: DO YOU HAVE A VEHICLE OF YOUR OWN?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T
RIDGE: IS THERE A VEHICLE THAT YOU DRIVE ON OCCASION?
HUTCHISON: UH, MY HUSBAND'S
RIDGE: AND WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE IS THAT?
HUTCHISON: A DODGE ARIES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS.
RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW WHAT COLOR IT IS?
HUTCHISON: BLUE
RIDGE: UH, YOUR RELATIVES, YOUR HUSBAND'S NAME?
HUTCHISON: EDDIE HUTCHISON
RIDGE: AND HIS ADDRESS?
HUTCHISON: UH, 309 DABBS ROAD
RIDGE: IS THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX?
HUTCHISON: YES, IT IS
RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW WHICH APARTMENT?
HUTCHISON: 11
RIDGE: THAT IS IN WEST MEMPHIS?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: UH, EX-HUSBAND?
HUTCHISON: UH, JACK ECHOLS, SR.
RIDGE: AND WHERE DOES HE LIVE?
HUTCHISON: LAKESHORE TRAILER PARK
RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW THE ADDRESS?
HUTCHISON: NO SIR, I DON'T
RIDGE: UH, ANY OTHER CHILDREN?
HUTCHISON: UM, I HAVE A DAUGHTER.
RIDGE: HER NAME?
HUTCHISON: CONSTANCE ECHOLS
RIDGE: AND HER ADDRESS IS WITH YOU?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: ANY OTHER RELATIVES CLOSE?
HUTCHISON: MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, SHE LIVES THE SAME ADDRESS AS MY HUSBAND.
RIDGE: AND HER NAME?
HUTCHISON: DORIS HUTCHISON.
RIDGE: AND IT SHOWS DATE AND TIME ARRESTED AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT ARRESTED, DATE AND TIME THIS FORM WAS FILED OUT, 10:28 A.M. 05-12-93, CHARGE, THERE IS NO CHARGE AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS NO WARRANT, CASE FILE #93-05-0666, COMP# UNKNOWN. THE ARRESTING OFFICERS, THERE ARE NONE. DETECTIVES ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE: THE PERSON THAT'S CONDUCTING THE INTERVIEW, DET. BRYN RIDGE, AND DET. LT. JAMES SUDBURY. MS. HUTCHISON, IN, THE REASON FOR THIS INTERVIEW IS TO LEARN THE WHEREABOUTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN NAMED OR ANY KIND OF INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN FORMED THAT MAY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE OR A WITNESS TO ANY ACTS OF THESE CHILDREN OR THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE DATE OF 05-05-93. WE ARE ASKING BASICALLY QUESTIONS FROM TUESDAY, WHICH WOULD BE 05-04-93 ALL THE WAY THROUGH 05-05-93, AND ON INTO 05-06-93, WHICH IS THURSDAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR THOSE THREE DAYS?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: OKAY, LET'S BEGIN WITH TUESDAY, WHICH WILL BE 05-04-93, UH, IN YOUR NORMAL ROUTINE OF A DAY, WHAT TIME DO YOU NORMALLY GET OUT OF BED?
HUTCHISON: AROUND 8:00
RIDGE: 8 A. M.
HUTCHISON: UH, UH
RIDGE: OKAY, AND WHAT DO YOU NORMALLY DO?
HUTCHISON: UH, I USUALLY SIT AT THE TABLE AND DRINK COFFEE FOR AN HOUR, MAYBE TWO, AND I GET UP AND CLEAN UP MY HOUSE.
SUDBURY: WHOSE AT HOME WHEN YOU GET UP?
HUTCHISON: MY MOTHER AND MY DAUGHTER
SUDBURY: AND YOUR MOTHER LIVES WITH YOU?
HUTCHISON: YES SHE DOES
SUDBURY: IS THAT THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU?
HUTCHISON: NAW, MY SON IS THERE, DAMIEN ECHOLS.
SUDBURY: DAMIEN.
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, WAS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT ABOUT TUESDAY ?
HUTCHISON: NO.
RIDGE: OKAY, YOU GOT UP AT 8 OR SO IN THE MORNING?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: DRUNK YOUR COFFEE AND THEN YOU WATCHED TV OR CLEANED HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: UH, SAT THERE AND DRUNK COFFEE, UH, MY HUSBAND AND I SEPARATED THAT DAY.
RIDGE: ON TUESDAY?
HUTCHISON: YES, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE UNUSUAL, UH,
RIDGE: DO YOU MIND MY ASKING WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT PROBLEM WAS?
HUTCHISON: BECAUSE OF MY EX-HUSBAND. HE DOESN'T WANT HIM TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY CHILDREN.
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: AND UH, WE SEPARATED THAT DAY.
RIDGE: THAT TUESDAY, UH, HOW DID YOUR CHILDREN REACT TO THAT?
HUTCHISON: UH, DAMIEN CRIED, BUT UH CONSTANCE, WE CALL HER MICHELLE, SHE WAS LOOKING, IT DIDN'T CAUSE HER ANY
SUDBURY: HOW OLD IS SHE?
HUTCHISON: SHE IS 16
SUDBURY: DID SHE GO TO SCHOOL THAT DAY?
HUTCHISON: UH, NO SHE DID NOT. I HAD REGISTERED HER IN MARION SCHOOL AND DIDN'T WANT HERE THERE BECAUSE SHE HAD MISSED SO MANY DAYS OF SCHOOL THIS YEAR. WE HAD MOVED HERE FROM OREGON, UH, APPROXIMATELY A MONTH OR A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. AND, THEY SAID THAT SHE HAD MISSED SO MUCH SCHOOL, THAT THERE WAS NO WAY SHE WAS GOING TO PASS.
RIDGE: WHAT TIME OF THE DAY WAS IT WHEN THIS OCCURRED AND THE CONFLICT BEGIN?
HUTCHISON: UH, IT WAS PROBABLY AROUND, FROM THE BEST I CAN REMEMBER I WOULD SAY FIVE OR SIX IN THE AFTERNOON.
RIDGE: OKAY, WHEN THAT OCCURRED WAS THERE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT, WAS THERE A FIGHT OR ANYTHING, OR WAS THERE JUST PEOPLE UPSET?
HUTCHISON: JUST PEOPLE UPSET.
RIDGE: THERE WAS NO FIGHT?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: NOBODY WAS INJURED, NO BODY PUSHED?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: OKAY, UH, BASICALLY WHERE WAS EVERYBODY AFTER HE LEFT?
HUTCHISON: IN THE KITCHEN, IN MY TRAILER.
RIDGE: SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT THE SITUATION?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: WAS ANYBODY ESPECIALLY UPSET?
HUTCHISON: NO
SUDBURY: DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME HE LEFT?
HUTCHISON: UH, NO I DON'T. HE HAD EVERYTHING OUT BY 9:00 THAT NIGHT. HE WAS COMPLETELY MOVED OUT.
SUDBURY: WAS IT A MUTUAL THING THAT HE LEFT?
HUTCHISON: YEAH
SUDBURY: EMOTIONAL, YOU KNOW, DON'T GO?
HUTCHISON: NO
SUDBURY: A MUTUAL CONSENT?
HUTCHISON: YEAH
SUDBURY: DID HE MOVED THINGS ALL THROUGH THE DAY OR DID HE LEAVE AND COME BACK TO GET THINGS?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE TOOK IT ALL AT ONCE, WHEN HE LEFT.
SUDBURY: YOU SAID HE LEFT AROUND 9 THAT NIGHT.
HUTCHISON: HE HAD EVERYTHING OUT BY 9 THAT NIGHT. YEAH, WE WERE PACKING HIS STUFF UP, AND
SUDBURY: WHAT ABOUT DURING THE DAY?
HUTCHISON: NO, THIS WAS, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS WITHIN TWO HOURS. HE HAD EVERYTHING PACKED AND LOADED AND READY TO GO. IT ONLY TOOK ONE TRIP IN THE CAR, FOR HIM TO GET EVERYTHING
HUTCHISON: (CON'T) OUT.
SUDBURY: DID HE STAY THERE THE REST OF THE DAY AND THEN LEAVE AT 9 THAT NIGHT?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW THE PHONE NUMBER WHERE HE IS NOW?
HUTCHISON: HE'S SITTING RIGHT OUT HERE
RIDGE: HE'S HERE
HUTCHISON: YES, HE IS
RIDGE: THAT'S FINE. UH, OKAY, IN CONTINUING, YOU WENT TO BED ABOUT WHAT TIME?
HUTCHISON: OH, PROBABLY 12 O'CLOCK THAT NIGHT. BETWEEN 12 AND 12:30.
RIDGE: WAS EVERYBODY STILL IN THE HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: DAMIEN WAS THERE?
HUTCHISON: UH, TUESDAY NIGHT, LET ME REMEMBER, UH FROM THE BEST I CAN REMEMBER, HE WAS THERE. YEAH, BECAUSE THE NIGHT WE SEPARATED, HE DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, HE STAYED RIGHT THERE WITH ME.
RIDGE: OKAY, YOUR DAUGHTER?
HUTCHISON: SHE WAS THERE ALSO
RIDGE: I KEEP FORGETTING HER NAME?
HUTCHISON: MICHELLE, HER NAME IS CONSTANCE, BUT WE CALL HER MICHELLE.
RIDGE: OKAY, I AM GOING TO WRITE THAT DOWN ALSO.
SUDBURY: IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT EITHER ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN GOING TO LIVE WITH THEIR FATHER, WHEN HE LEFT?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE'S NOT, EDDIE HUTCHISON IS THEIR NATURAL FATHER, JACK ECHOLS HAD ADOPTED THE CHILDREN, AND HE DOESN'T HAVE LEGAL CUSTODY.
RIDGE: THAT'S THE REASON THEIR LAST NAME IS ECHOLS, BECAUSE THEY WERE ADOPTED?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: OKAY, UH, DO YOU KNOW OF DAMIEN OR CONSTANCE GOING ANYWHERE ON THAT DAY?
HUTCHISON: NO.
RIDGE: THEY STAYED HOME ALL DAY?
HUTCHISON: UH, DAMIEN UH, USUALLY GOES OUT AT LAKESHORE. IN THE DAY TIME, FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, TO SEE JASON.
RIDGE: OKAY, HE WENT THAT DAY?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE DID
RIDGE: OKAY, ABOUT WHAT TIME PERIOD WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN?
HUTCHISON: UH, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WAS ABOUT 1 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. I WOULD SAY SOME WHERE IN THE AFTERNOON, CAUSE HE DOESN'T
RIDGE: HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BACK BY 5
HUTCHISON: ON TUESDAY, HE CAME BACK ABOUT 8 O'CLOCK.
RIDGE: OKAY, THAT NIGHT?
HUTCHISON: UH, UH.
SUDBURY: DID HE HAVE COMPANY THAT DAY? TO COME TO YOUR HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: JASON, HAD COME TO THE HOUSE
RIDGE: THIS WAS ON TUESDAY?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
SUDBURY: DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME THAT WAS?
HUTCHISON: UH, IT WAS AFTER JASON GOT OUT OF SCHOOL.
SUDBURY: DID HE AND JASON LEAVE TOGETHER, HAD HE ALREADY LEFT, YOU SAID AROUND 1. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
HUTCHISON: UM, HE WENT OUT TO DOMINI'S AROUND 1 AND STAYED UNTIL JASON GOT OUT OF SCHOOL, AND THEN I WENT AND PICKED JASON UP, WHEN I PICKED DAMIEN UP.
RIDGE: DOMINI, WHO IS DOMINI?
HUTCHISON: DAMIEN'S GIRLFRIEND
RIDGE: OKAY
SUDBURY: JASON
HUTCHISON: BALDWIN
SUDBURY: BALDWIN
RIDGE: HE LIVES IN LAKESHORE?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: DOMINI LIVES IN LAKESHORE?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: OKAY, YOU WENT TO BED AROUND MIDNIGHT, YOU SAID?
HUTCHISON: IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 1.
RIDGE: OKAY, EVERYBODY WAS THERE?
HUTCHISON: YEAH
RIDGE: THE NEXT MORNING?
HUTCHISON: THE NEXT MORNING, I GOT UP, I WOULD SAY ABOUT FIFTEEN MINUTES TO SEVEN, AND DRUNK MY COFFEE, GOT A SHOWER, DAMIEN HAD A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
RIDGE: WHERE?
HUTCHISON: UH, EAST ARKANSAS MENTAL HEALTH CENTER.
RIDGE: OKAY, AND THIS IS AN ONGOING APPOINTMENT?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: OR, IS THIS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE GOES REGULARLY, HE WAS SUICIDAL AT ONE TIME, AND THEY TREAT HIM FOR THAT.
RIDGE: WAS HE IN AN ESPECIALLY BAD MOOD THAT MORNING?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: BECAUSE OF THE OCCURRENCE FROM THE PREVIOUS DAY?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: NO PROBLEM, OKAY
SUDBURY: YOU SAID HE CRIED WHEN UH, THE SEPARATION TOOK PLACE, IS THAT UNUSUAL FOR HIM?
HUTCHISON: UH,
SUDBURY: DOES HE USUALLY SHOW EMOTIONS EASILY OR DOES HE TRY AND SUPPRESS THEM?
HUTCHISON: HE USUALLY TRIES TO SUPRESS THEM, BUT UH, THERE NATURAL FATHER HAD DESERTED THEM WHEN THEY WERE BOTH REAL SMALL AND UH, I GUESS HE FELT LIKE HE WAS DOING IT AGAIN.
RIDGE: OKAY, UH, AFTER THE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID IT END?
HUTCHISON: UM, WE LEFT EAST ARK. MENTAL HEALTH AROUND 12:30
RIDGE: JUST AFTER NOON?
HUTCHISON: UH, UH.
RIDGE: AND, WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THERE?
HUTCHISON: UH, MARION DISCOUNT PHARMACY.
RIDGE: FOR MEDICATION HE HAS TO TAKE?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: WHAT IS THAT MEDICATION?
HUTCHISON: AMECHARINE
RIDGE: AMECHARINE
HUTCHISON: UH, UH.
RIDGE: AND, HOW DOES IT EFFECT HIM? WHAT'S THE EFFECT?
HUTCHISON: UH, I THINK IT JUST MAKES HIM SLEEPY.
RIDGE: OKAY, WHERE WAS CONSTANCE DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME?
HUTCHISON: UH, SHE WENT WITH ME TO THE PHARMACY. I HAD
RIDGE: DID HE GO WITH YOU ALSO?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE DID
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, BOUGHT MEDICATION?
HUTCHISON: WELL, I LEFT THE PRESCRIPTION THERE AND I WENT BACK AND PICKED IT UP.
RIDGE: OKAY. ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU PICK IT UP?
HUTCHISON: THE NEXT MORNING.
RIDGE: THURSDAY MORNING?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: OKAY, AFTER YOU LEFT THE PRESCRIPTION THERE, WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THERE?
HUTCHISON: UH, BACK HOME
RIDGE: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU ARRIVE THERE?
HUTCHISON: I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR SURE, I THINK THAT'S THE DAY THAT I WENT OUT TO LAKESHORE AND LEFT DAMIEN AGAIN, FROM 1 TILL 4.
RIDGE: WHERE DID YOU LEAVE DAMIEN?
HUTCHISON: AT JASON'S
RIDGE: CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME WHERE JASON'S HOUSE IS?
HUTCHISON: UH, WELL THE WAY I GO, IT'S THE, I GO DOWN, THE ROAD THAT LEADS DOWN BY THE INTERSTATE, AND I GO ON AROUND THE CURVE, AND IT'S THE SECOND STREET TO THE RIGHT, AND I GO AROUND THERE AND THE TRAILER IS ALMOST AT THE END OF THE STREET.
RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT YOU DROPPED DAMIEN OFF AT ABOUT WHAT TIME?
HUTCHISON: I THINK IT WAS AROUND 1
RIDGE: OKAY, AND WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THERE?
HUTCHISON: I WENT BACK HOME.
RIDGE: OKAY, WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE REST OF THE DAY?
HUTCHISON: WELL, I WENT HOME AND GOT READY TO COOK AND ABOUT I WOULD SAY AROUND 3:45, DAMIEN CALLED ME AND ASKED ME TO COME AND GET HIM, AND HE WAS AT THE LAUNDRY MAT ON MISSOURI STREET WITH DOMINI, JASON HAD TO MOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS HIS UNCLE'S YARD, THAT AFTERNOON, SO HE DIDN'T GET TO SPEND ANY TIME WITH DAMIEN, CAUSE HE HAD TO GO AND MOW THAT
HUTCHISON: (CON'T) YARD, SO I WENT AND PICKED HIM UP, ALONG WITH DOMINI. I CARRIED DOMINI BACK TO HER TRAILER AND BROUGHT DAMIEN HOME WITH ME. WE WERE AT THE TRAILER BY 4 O'CLOCK.
RIDGE: BY 4 O'CLOCK
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW WHERE JASON'S UNCLE LIVES?
HUTCHISON: UH, IT'S A STREET BEHIND GRANNY'S FRONT PORCH, THE RESTAURANT.
RIDGE: OKAY, WOULD IT BE ON THAT STREET THAT RUNS BY GRANNY'S FRONT PORCH?
HUTCHISON: THE ONE THAT RUNS RIGHT BEHIND IT
RIDGE: NORTH AND SOUTH?
HUTCHISON:
SUDBURY: PARK STREET, COULD IT BE PARK
HUTCHISON: I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF IT WAS, YOU JUST GO BY GRANNY'S FRONT PORCH AND IT'S THE FIRST STREET.
SUDBURY: TO THE LEFT
HUTCHISON: RIGHT, TO THE RIGHT
SUDBURY: YOU COME OFF MISSOURI STREET, YOU GO IN FRONT OF GRANNY'S AND THEN TAKE A RIGHT, AND THAT IS PARK STREET.
HUTCHISON: OKAY
RIDGE: UH, AFTER DAMIEN WAS AT HOME, DID YOU SEE JASON?
HUTCHISON: NO. I DID NOT
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, SO IT WAS JUST DAMIEN AND DOMINI THAT YOU PICKED UP?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: ALEXANDER'S LAUNDRY?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: OKAY, AND THIS IS ABOUT 3:45?
HUTCHISON: UH, UH,
RIDGE: AND YOU TOOK HER HOME?
HUTCHISON: AND I TOOK HIM HOME WITH ME.
RIDGE: YOU TOOK HIM HOME WITH YOU? AND ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GET HOME?
HUTCHISON: IT WAS ABOUT TEN [?] MINUTES AFTER FOUR, CAUSE I JUST WENT STRAIGHT TO LAKESHORE AND OUT, AND CAME RIGHT STRAIGHT HOME.
RIDGE: OKAY, WHAT OCCURRED NEXT?
HUTCHISON: UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE TIMES, BUT I THINK WEDNESDAY, UH, SOME DETECTIVES CAME OUT TO THE HOUSE AND PICKED DAMIEN UP AND BROUGHT, NO, THEY TALKED TO HIM AT THE HOUSE. THERE WAS
RIDGE: WEDNESDAY?
HUTCHISON: UH, UH, WHICH, IS IT, STEVE JONES CAME TO MY TRAILER. AND ANOTHER DETECTIVE CAME OUT, AND THEY TOOK PICTURES OF DAMIEN, STANDING OUTSIDE THE TRAILER, THEY WENT IN HIS BEDROOM, WELL IT'S HIS SISTER'S BEDROOM
RIDGE: I'M CONFUSED, CAUSE AT THIS POINT ON WEDNESDAY, NOBODY HAD REASON TO BE LOOKING FOR ANYONE.
HUTCHISON: THEY, UH, TWO OFFICERS, NAW IT WAS THURSDAY, YOU'RE RIGHT
RIDGE: WEDNESDAY IT WAS, WE NEED TO IRON DOWN THURSDAY, WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THURSDAY
HUTCHISON: I HAD PICKED HIM UP AT THE LAUNDRY MAT AND I CARRIED DOMINI HOME AND I CARRIED DAMIEN HOME WITH ME.
RIDGE: AND YOU STAYED HOME THE REST OF THE DAY?
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, HE MENTIONED THAT YOU WENT TO A MR. SANDERS HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, WHEN DID THAT OCCUR?
HUTCHISON: UM, I WOULD SAY ABOUT 6:30 OR 6:00 WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
RIDGE: THAT'S WHEN YOU WENT TO THAT HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: AND ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU RETURN?
HUTCHISON: SOMEWHERE ABOUT AN HOUR, IF THAT LONG, UH, NO LONGER THAN AN HOUR, BECAUSE SHE WASN'T HOME. HER AND HER HUSBAND WASN'T HOME, HER DAUGHTER WAS THERE AND WE WENT IN AND SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO HER FOR A MINUTE.
RIDGE: AND WHERE DO THEY LIVE?
HUTCHISON: 505 BALFOUR
RIDGE: 505 BALFOUR
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: SUSAN SANDERS
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: AND HER DAUGHTER IS?
HUTCHISON: JENNIFER SANDERS
RIDGE: JENNIFER SANDERS. ALRIGHT, YOU LEFT AFTER ABOUT AN HOUR'S VISIT?
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: OKAY, WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THERE?
HUTCHISON: HOME
RIDGE: WAS DAMIEN WITH YOU?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: WHEN YOU GOT HOME?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE WAS
RIDGE: DID HE GO ANYWHERE ELSE?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: DID YOU GO ANYWHERE?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: DID ANYBODY COME AND VISIT?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: ANY PHONE CALLS?
HUTCHISON: UH, YEAH, THERE WAS A PHONE CALL FROM DAMIEN'S GRANDMOTHER, UH, HE ANSWERED THE PHONE AND THEN I TALKED TO HER. UH, HE TALKED TO A GIRL THAT LIVES AT BARTLETT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER NAME IS, JENNIFER IS ALL I KNOW, AND HE TALKED TO DOMINI.
RIDGE: ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THE CALL FROM THE GRANDMOTHER?
HUTCHISON: UH, I DON'T KNOW, CAUSE I HAD SO
RIDGE: IS THIS THE ORDER BASICALLY, CALL FROM THE GRANDMOTHER, CALL
HUTCHISON: CALL FROM JENNIFER AND THEN A CALL FROM DOMINI, YEAH.
RIDGE: THE CALL FROM DOMINI, I TAKE IT WAS LATER ON IN THE EVENING?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: WELL AFTER DARK?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: AND, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO BED THAT NIGHT?
HUTCHISON: GOSH, I WOULD SAY IT WAS AROUND 12 I GUESS.
RIDGE: WAS DAMIEN IN BED OR
HUTCHISON: YES, HE WAS IN BED
RIDGE: AND HE DIDN'T LEAVE AT ALL FROM THE TIME YOU LEFT THE SANDERS HOUSE UNTIL YOU WENT TO BED
HUTCHISON: NO, HE DIDN'T
RIDGE: UH
SUDBURY: LET ME TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS, DID HE GO WITH YOU TO SUSAN'S?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE DID
SUDBURY: DID YOUR DAUGHTER GO ALSO?
HUTCHISON: YES, SHE DID, AND MY HUSBAND.
RIDGE: THURSDAY MORNING?
HUTCHISON: I WAS UP DURING MY USUAL, I GOT MY COFFEE, DAMIEN WAS STILL IN THE BED. AND, I DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE. BUT I THINK IT WAS AROUND 11, THAT STEVE JONES AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN, STEVE JONES CAME OUT BY HIMSELF UH, STEVE JONES CAME OUT BY HIMSELF AT FIRST, AND HE ASKED ME IF HE COULD USE THE PHONE AND I SAID, SURE. AND, HE CALLED SOMEBODY, AND THIS OTHER PERSON THAT HE CALLED, I THINK WAS A DETECTIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, CAME OUT TO THE HOUSE TO TALK TO DAMIEN, AND THEY TOOK HIM INTO THE BEDROOM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MY DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM, BUT HE HAD BEEN SLEEPING IN THERE.
SUDBURY: DOES HE HAVE HIS OWN ROOM?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE DOES NOT. THEY WENT INTO MY DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM AND HE, AND THEY TALKED TO HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN THEY TOOK HIM OUTSIDE AND HE HAD TO SHOW THEM HIS ID AND THEY TOOK PICTURES OF HIM.
SUDBURY: DID YOU WALK OUTSIDE WITH HIM?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DIDN'T. THEY REALLY DIDN'T WANT ME OUT THERE WITH THEM, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT ME IN THE BEDROOM WITH HIM.
RIDGE: THEY WANTED A PRIVATE CONVERSATION. DID YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT THAT TIME?
HUTCHISON: NO, AS LONG AS HE WASN'T HARASSED. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
RIDGE: THURSDAY, THIS IS ABOUT NOON, OR JUST BEFORE NOON?
HUTCHISON: IT WAS AFTER NOON BEFORE THEY LEFT. THEY WERE THERE FOR PROBABLY MAYBE AN HOUR AND A HALF.
RIDGE: DID YOU NOTICE ANY KIND OF A RESPONSE FROM DAMIEN AFTER THE FIRST OFFICERS TALKED TO HIM? STEVE JONES
HUTCHISON: M-M-M NO
RIDGE: HE WASN'T EXCESSIVELY NERVOUS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: OKAY, LATER, WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE FIRST OFFICERS, STEVE JONES LEFT, DID DAMIEN STAY AT THE HOUSE THE REST OF THE DAY OR DID HE LEAVE? WERE YOU AT THE HOUSE?
HUTCHISON: YES, I'M NOT SURE, I MIGHT HAVE WENT SOMEWHERE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HERE.
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: CAUSE I'VE HAD SO MANY DETECTIVES IN AND OUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
RIDGE: THAT'S THE REASON WE FEEL THIS IS THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES TO TRY TO GET YOU TO REMEMBER SO THERE IS NO OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE, AND WE CAN SIT HERE WITH YOU, AND THINK.
HUTCHISON: I THINK, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER FOR SURE, BUT I THINK, HE HAD GONE OVER TO JASON'S THAT AFTERNOON, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT
RIDGE: HOW DOES HE NORMALLY GET OUT TO JASON'S?
HUTCHISON: I TAKE HIM, AND THEM I GO BACK AND PICK HIM UP.
RIDGE: DO YOU THINK YOU TOOK HIM THAT DAY?
HUTCHISON: IF HE WENT I TOOK HIM
RIDGE: DOES HE NORMALLY GO WALKING?
HUTCHISON: NO, UH, I AM NOT IN A REAL GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HE DOES NOT GET OUT AND WALK.
RIDGE: WHAT ABOUT JASON, WHAT KIND OF PERSONALITY DOES HE HAVE?
HUTCHISON: I THINK HE'S A PRETTY DECENT YOUNG MAN, I'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH HIM.
RIDGE: YES MA'AM, NO MA'AM TYPE OF ATTITUDE.
HUTCHISON: UM, UM
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW IF HE'S EVER BEEN ARRESTED?
HUTCHISON: UH, I DON'T KNOW OF HIM EVER BEING ARRESTED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN ON PROBATION. I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS NOW OR NOT, BUT I KNOW AT ONE TIME, HE WAS.
RIDGE: DO YOU CONSIDER JASON AND DAMIEN BEST FRIENDS?
HUTCHISON: YES, THEY ARE
RIDGE: OKAY
SUDBURY: WHO WOULD BE THE MORE DOMINEERING OR THE LEADER, THAT'S NOT EVEN A GOOD WORD, IF ONE OF THE GUYS WANTED TO GO AND DO SOMETHING, WHO WOULD FOLLOW WHOSE SUGGESTIONS?
HUTCHISON: WELL, THEY ARE BEST FRIENDS, SO THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KINDA AGREE ON ANYTHING. IF THEY WANT TO GO SKATING OR, PLAY POOL OR SOMETHING, ONE WOULD SAY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS, AND ONE WOULD SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO.
SUDBURY: WOULD YOU SAY THAT ONE WOULD INFLUENCE THE OTHER MORE THAN THE OTHER OR
HUTCHISON: NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH BE
SUDBURY: AND EQUAL TERM
HUTCHISON: YEAH
RIDGE: AS FOR TIME PERIODS OR WHATEVER, WE PRETTY WELL WENT OVER THAT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WELL HAVE A RESPONSE FOR THOSE PERIODS OF TIMES. AS FAR AS ATTITUDES, UH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND OR ARE YOU AWARE OF DAMIEN BEING IN A WHITE MAGIC GROUP?
HUTCHISON: YES, I AM
RIDGE: OKAY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
HUTCHISON: UH, I AM NOT REAL FOND OF IT, BUT AS LONG AS, I DON'T SEE THAT HE'S HURTING ANYBODY, AND HE'S KEEPS IT MOSTLY TO HIMSELF, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE RELIGION
RIDGE: YES, I AGREE
SUDBURY: THAT'S HIS RELIGION?
HUTCHISON: YES, I DO, THAT'S HIS RELIGION.
SUDBURY: DO YOU ENCOURAGE HIM WITH THAT OR YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A OPINION?
HUTCHISON: UH, I HAVE AN OPINION, BUT I TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY HE FEELS.
RIDGE: WHAT IS YOUR RELIGION?
HUTCHISON: BAPTIST
RIDGE: BAPTIST, ALRIGHT, AND AS FOR AS YOUR RELIGION,
RIDGE: (CON'T) HAVE YOU TRIED TO GET HIM TO UNDERSTAND YOUR RELIGION?
HUTCHISON: YES, I HAVE, HE WAS RAISED IN CHURCH.
RIDGE: OKAY, HAS HE ATTEMPTED TO GET YOU TO UNDERSTANDING HIS RELIGION?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE HAS
RIDGE: AND, IN THE EXPLAINING OF THIS, I UNDERSTAND FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE MAY HAVE ANIMAL SKULLS OR SOMETHING SYMBOLISM IN THIS?
HUTCHISON: THIS ANIMAL SKULLS THAT HE HAD, WHEN I LIVED AT LAKESHORE, WAS JUST A SKULL THAT HAD BEEN FOUND LAYING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, AND HE PICKED IT UP.
RIDGE: OF COURSE I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT EITHER, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME BEAUTIFUL ART WORK ON ANIMALS SKULLS, I'VE SEEN AT TRUCK STOPS, SO I AM NOT CONDEMNING OR SAYING THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. BUT WHAT, HOW DOES HE PERCEIVE IT. SOMETHING PRETTY, OR JUST SEEM TO THINK THAT IT IS SOME KIND OF POWER?
HUTCHISON: NAW, I THINK THAT IT IS JUST INTERESTING THAN ANYTHING.
SUDBURY: LIKE, YOU GO TO CHURCH ON GENERALLY SUNDAY, WEDNESDAY, TO A BAPTIST CHURCH, IS THERE A PARTICULAR HOLY DAY THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE, HIS RELIGION OR
HUTCHISON: NOT, THAT I KNOW OF.
SUDBURY: NOT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF, IS THERE A SPECIAL CELEBRATION DAYS, A SPECIAL TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT
HUTCHISON: NOT THAT I KNOW OF
RIDGE: WHAT ABOUT MICHELLE? IS SHE MORE LEAN TO YOUR BELIEFS OR DOES SHE SORTA GO WITH
HUTCHISON: SHE DEFINITELY MY BELIEFS.
RIDGE: DOES SHE DISAGREE WITH HIS?
HUTCHISON: TOTALLY
RIDGE: SHE'S MADE THAT VERBAL?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: TO HIM?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: HOW DOES HE REACT TO THAT?
HUTCHISON: UH, HE JUST TALKS TO HER LIKE HE DOES TO ME AND TRIES TO EXPLAIN.
RIDGE: DOES HE FORCE THIS?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE DOES NOT.
SUDBURY: IS JASON OF THE SAME BELIEF?
HUTCHISON: I HAVE NO IDEA
SUDBURY: YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS BAPTIST OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE?
HUTCHISON: NO, I HAVE NO IDEA
SUDBURY: DO YOU GO TO CHURCH REGULARLY NOW?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T
RIDGE: THE GROUP, I SAY THAT LOOSELY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT DAMIEN IS A MEMBER OF A GROUP, BUT IF THERE IS A GROUP, OF THIS WHITE MAGIC OR WHATEVER THE NAME IS MEKA,
HUTCHISON: NO, WICKER
RIDGE: WICKER, OKAY I'M SORRY, WHO DOES THAT GROUP CONSIST OF?
HUTCHISON: I HAVE NO IDEA.
RIDGE: YOU'VE NEVER MET ANY OF THEM?
HUTCHISON: NO, I HAVEN'T
RIDGE: MEKA
HUTCHISON: NOT, THAT I KNOW ARE WICKERS, I KNOW MOST OF DAMIEN'S FRIENDS, BUT WHO I COULD SAY IS
RIDGE: OR IS NOT
HUTCHISON: OR IS NOT, I CAN'T. I HAVE NO IDEA.
RIDGE: WHO ARE SOME OF HIS FRIENDS?
HUTCHISON: UH, JASON, LIKE I SAID, IS HIS CLOSEST FRIEND, UH, A YOUNG MAN BY THE NAME OF MURRY, THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW, I NEVER INVITED HIM INSIDE OF MY HOUSE, AND SOMEBODY BY
HUTCHISON: (CON'T) THE NAME OF CHRIS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS EITHER.
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: AND, THAT'S BASICALLY DAMIEN MORE OR LESS KEEPS TO HIM SELF, OTHER THAN JASON. HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS, HE LEANS TOWARD GIRLS, AS FOR AS BEING FRIENDS.
RIDGE: OKAY, BASICALLY IF HE TO PROFILE HIS PERSONALITY, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERM INTROVERTED OR EXTRAVERTED?
HUTCHISON: UH, I'VE HEARD IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
RIDGE: INTROVERT WOULD BE MORE OR LESS THAT HE'S A HOME BODY, HE'S A PERSON WITHIN HIMSELF, HE MAYBE DEEP IN SELF THOUGHT, UH, WANTES TO TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF, WANTS TO DO THINGS FOR HIMSELF, WHERE EXTRAVERTED PERSON WOULD THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE AND WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT AND COMMUNICATE AND TAKE PART IN ACTIVITIES.
HUTCHISON: HE'S MOST TO HIMSELF, HE WOULD BE THE MORE INTROVERTED.
RIDGE: SO, HE WOULD BE THE MORE INTROVERTED PERSON?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: DOES HE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH DEALING WITH OTHER PEOPLE?
HUTCHISON: NO, UH, NOT NORMALLY. UNLESS THERE IS LIKE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE OF SOMETHING, HE MAY GET NERVOUS.
RIDGE: HE DOESN'T LIKE A LARGE GROUP?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE DOESN'T
RIDGE: HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? ARE YOU MORE OPEN WITH OTHER PEOPLE OR ARE YOU MORE LESS STAY TO YOURSELF?
HUTCHISON: IT GOES BOTH WAYS, SOME DAYS I WOULD RATHER BE AROUND A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES I WOULD RATHER BE BY MYSELF.
RIDGE: THIS MEDICATION THAT DAMIEN IS ON, WHAT IS HIS REACTION TO THE MEDICATION, WERE HE TO MISS IT?
HUTCHISON: HE GETS EXTREMELY NAUSEATED AND HE VOMITS. IT JUST MAKES HIM SICK.
RIDGE: WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE HAS A VIOLENT TEMPER?
HUTCHISON: UH
RIDGE: I AM NOT SAYING
HUTCHISON: IF, ONLY IF HE IS CONTINUALLY PUSHED.
RIDGE: HOW ABOUT YOURSELF?
HUTCHISON: IF I'M CONTINUALLY PUSHED.
RIDGE: AND YOUR HUSBAND?
HUTCHISON: IF HE'S CONTINUALLY PUSHED.
RIDGE: OKAY, BUT IS THIS, NOW THE OTHER TERM, A QUICK TEMPER?
HUTCHISON: UH, DAMIEN, NO, I DON'T THINK HE HAS A QUICK TEMPER.
RIDGE: OKAY, YOURSELF?
HUTCHISON: SOMETIMES
RIDGE: ACCORDING TO THE [?] I GUESS?
HUTCHISON: YEAH
RIDGE: OKAY, AND THE FATHER?
HUTCHISON: HE'S QUICK TEMPERED.
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, THE STEP-FATHER THAT ADOPTED DAMIEN, AGAIN, AGAIN ON THE SAME TERMS, THE VIOLENT TEMPER?
HUTCHISON: UH, NORMALLY HE DID NOT HAVE A VIOLENT TEMPER. IT HAS TO BE, YOU WOULD REALLY HAVE TO PUSH BEFORE HE WOULD HAVE A VIOLENT TEMPER, AND THEN IT WAS NOT TO THE POINT OF DESTRUCTION OR ANYTHING, IT WAS JUST SCREAMING, AND HOLLERING.
RIDGE: WAS THERE EVER ANY PHYSICAL CONTACT?
HUTCHISON: NO BETWEEN HIM AND MYSELF
RIDGE: BETWEEN HIM AND
HUTCHISON: DAMIEN? UH, I'VE NEVER SAW HIM HIT AFTER DAMIEN GOT UP ANY SIZE. NOW WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER, HE GOT A PRETTY GOOD SPANKING FROM HIM.
RIDGE: THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE WHEN A CHILD NEEDS A WHIPPING HE GOT ONE.
HUTCHISON: BUT, UH, AS FOR AS PHYSICAL, NO
RIDGE: OKAY
SUDBURY: DOES DAMIEN, AS HE WAS GROWING UP, JUST ASSUME, AS DISCIPLINE PROBLEM, JUST A FAIRLY NORMAL YOUNG MAN GROWING UP?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE WASN'T FAIRLY NORMAL, HE WAS, HE WAS MUCH BETTER THAN NORMAL.
SUDBURY: SO AS FOR AS DISCIPLINED?
HUTCHISON: HE WAS NEVER DISCIPLINED PROBLEM, NO.
SUDBURY: WAS HE EVER, DID HE EVER TELL YOU ANYTHING OR INCIDENTS ABOUT WHERE HE FELT LIKE HE WAS UH, ABUSED, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING LIKE PERHAPS MENTALLY OR SEXUALLY ABUSED?
HUTCHISON: MENTALLY ABUSED BY HIS ADOPTED FATHER.
SUDBURY: IN WHAT WAY?
HUTCHISON: UH, HE WOULD, HE WAS QUICK TO, HE DIDN'T GIVE DAMIEN, LIKE IF HE WAS A FEW MINUTES LATE FROM COMING IN FROM SOMEWHERE, HE DIDN'T GIVE A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS LATE. IF HE TRIPPED OVER THE PHONE CORD AND DROP THE PHONE. HE WOULD START SCREAMING AND HOLLERING AT HIM, AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS METALLY ABUSE.
SUDBURY: DID ANYONE IN YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY HAVE A DRINKING PROBLEM?
HUTCHISON: NO
SUDBURY: OKAY, SO THERE IS NO ALCOHOLISM?
HUTCHISON: NO
SUDBURY: DID DAMIEN EVER MENTIONED AN INCIDENT TO YOU WHERE HE FELT LIKE HE WAS PERHAPS, SEXUALLY ABUSED?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER HIS I.Q TO BE. NORMAL, ABOVE, BELOW NORMAL?
HUTCHISON: IT'S VERY MUCH ABOVE NORMAL.
RIDGE: OKAY, HE DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL, WAS THERE A REASON?
HUTCHISON: HE COULD NOT STAY INTERESTED IN SCHOOL.
RIDGE: HIS ATTENTION SPAN WAS VERY SHORT?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT, AND HE COULDN'T STAY INTERESTED.
SUDBURY: UNLESS IT REALLY INTERESTED HIM?
HUTCHISON: YES, UH, AND IT WOULD GO ACCORDING TO THE TEACHERS THAT TOOK UP TIME WITH HIM AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO INTEREST HIM, JUST DEPENDS ON THE WAY THEY
SUDBURY: DID HE HAVE ANY PARTICULAR HOBBIES OR SPORTS?
HUTCHISON: HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SPORTS, HE LOVES TO READ.
RIDGE: WHAT WAS HIS BEST CLASS?
HUTCHISON: UH, THE LAST YEAR HE WAS THERE.
RIDGE: MATH, ENGLISH, HISTORY
HUTCHISON: I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE SUBJECT WAS. I COULD NOT REMEMBER THE TEACHER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE SUBJECT WAS.
SUDBURY: YOU MENTIONED EARLIER OR SOMETHING ABOUT, HE WAS SUICIDAL. DO YOU KNOW WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON OR WHAT HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF WHAT TO BE?
HUTCHISON: UH, IT'S LOT BETTER NOW. I FEEL LIKE, THAN WHAT IT USE TO BE. UH, AT ONE TIME ABOUT A YEAR AGO, IT DIDN'T MAKE HIM ANY DIFFERENCE THAT HE WAS DEAD OR ALIVE.
SUDBURY: DO YOU KNOW WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON?
HUTCHISON: I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH. I THINK HE HAD BEEN THROUGH MORE PHYSICAL ABUSE WITH HIS STEPFATHER THAT WHAT I REALIZED HE WAS GOING THROUGH.
RIDGE: PHYSICAL ABUSE?
HUTCHISON: UH, WELL, IT'S MENTAL, THEY CALL IT MENTAL ABUSE. BUT TO ME, LIKE I SAID, WHENEVER HE TRIPS OVER A PHONE CORD, AND HE WOULD JUMP OFF THE COUCH LIKE HE WAS GOING TO REACH AND HIT HIM, I FELT LIKE, HAD I NOT BEEN THERE, IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED
RIDGE: THE APPREHENSION OF BEING BEAT UP
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: EVEN THROUGH IT MAY BEEN
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: OKAY, THE OTHER DAY, I KNOW, I'M AWARE THAT YOU BECAME UPSET WHEN WE HAD DAMIEN IN HERE. ON THE POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION?
HUTCHISON: YES I WAS VERY UPSET
RIDGE: OKAY, YOU, WERE YOU MADE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT HE FAILED THE POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION?
HUTCHISON: YES, I WAS, I WAS NOT NOTIFIED THAT HE WAS BEING TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR SAMPLES
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: MY SON WAS KEPT HERE FROM APPROXIMATELY 11:30 THAT MORNING UNTIL AFTER 7 THAT AFTERNOON WHEN WE LEFT HERE HE DID NOT RECEIVE A BITE OF FOOD.
RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT THE POINT I'M TRIED TO MAKE IS THAT DAMIEN IS 18 YEARS OLD. HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE A MAN OKAY, AND HE WAS ASKING TO SPEAK TO YOU AFTER WE DID THE HOSPITAL EXAMINATION, THE TEST.
HUTCHISON: RIGHT
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, DO YOU FELL THAT MAYBE AS A MOTHER YOU MAY BE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANYWAY THAT YOU MAY BE PROJECTING YOURSELF AS TO MUCH OF A MOTHER AT THIS POINT IN HIS LIFE?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T. I THINK HE NEEDS ME RIGHT NOW, VERY MUCH.
RIDGE: THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO
HUTCHISON: AND I DON'T AS FAR AS DOMINATING HIM, AND TELLING HIM YOU CAN OR CAN NOT DO THIS OR THAT, I DON'T BUT HE HAS ENOUGH RESPECT FOR ME
RIDGE: I'M NOT SAYING HE DOESN'T RESPECT YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW HE DOES
HUTCHISON: BUT HE'LL ASK ME EVEN WHILE HIS 18 YEARS OLD MAMA CAN I DO THIS?
SUDBURY: LEGALLY BECAUSE HE'S 18 YEARS OLD. DO YOU FEEL LIKE HE NEEDS YOUR PROTECTION?
HUTCHISON: UH,
SUDBURY: NOT THAT IS REALLY MATTERS PER SAY, I DON'T MEAN YOU HAVE
HUTCHISON: TO A CERTAIN EXTENT I FEEL LIKE HE DOES.
RIDGE: WE ARE AWARE THAT DOMINI IS WITH CHILD?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, HOW HAS THAT STRESS ON, I'M SURE THERE IS NOT NO ONE THAT THERE'S NOT A STRESS FOR, KNOWING THAT A CHILD IS COMING. HOW IS THAT STRESS COME OUT IN DAMIEN?
HUTCHISON: UM, THE ONLY THING DAMIEN EVER SAYS ABOUT IT IS THAT HE IS KINDA SCARED.
RIDGE: HE'S SCARED. WHAT ARE HIS PLANS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD?
HUTCHISON: UM, I THINK HE IS MORE OR LESS COUNTING ON ME TO HELP HIM TAKE CARE OF THAT CHILD
RIDGE: OKAY, AND YOU ARE PLANNING TO THIS?
HUTCHISON: YES, I WILL
RIDGE: AND HE IS AWARE OF THAT, YOU PLAN TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILD?
HUTCHISON: YES, HE IS AWARE OF THAT.
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, HOW ABOUT HER MOTHER?
HUTCHISON: UM, HER MOTHER IS, SHE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH VERY MANY PEOPLE I KNOW OF, I'VE ONLY SPOKEN TO THE LADY MAYBE 3 OR 4 TIMES. AND SHE HAS A PRETTY HARD TIME GETTING AROUND FROM WHAT FEW TIMES I'VE SEEN HER.
RIDGE: SHE HAD A STROKE OR SOME KIND OF AILMENT ?
HUTCHISON: I THINK SHE HAD A STROKE.
RIDGE: UH, DOES DAMIEN RESENT OR UNDERSTAND OR JUST EXCEPT, THAT SHE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH HELP AND THAT YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO DO MORE FOR THE CHILD POSSIBLY?
HUTCHISON: UM, I DON'T THINK HE REACTS TO THAT AT ALL
RIDGE: IT'S NOT A PROBLEM
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DOMINI?
HUTCHISON: SHE'S NOT MY FAVORITE PERSON, BUT I'M NOT THE ONE THAT WILL BE MARRIED TO HER, SO I'LL EXCEPT HER AS
SUDBURY: UH, WAS THIS PREGNANCY ACCIDENTAL OR INTENTIONALLY ON HER PART, OR INTENTIONAL ON YOUR SON'S PART AND HER PART? DID THEY WANT THIS CHILD OR?
HUTCHISON: I DON'T THINK IT WAS A ACCIDENT, THERE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO PREVENT IT.
SUDBURY: OKAY
HUTCHISON: AND I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE IN LOVE SO, BUT THAT SATISFIES ME, YOU KNOW I'LL HELP TAKE CARE OF THEM.
SUDBURY: OKAY, ARE YOU AWARE THERE WAS, THE NAME SLIPS MY MIND, A GIRL YOUR SON DATED BEFORE?
HUTCHISON: DEANNA HOLCOMB
SUDBURY: DEANNA, DID YOUR SON EVER MAKE MENTION ABOUT HE AND SHE WANTING TO HAVE A CHILD?
HUTCHISON: WILL YES HE DID, YES THEY DID. THEY WERE IN HOPES SHE WOULD GET PREGNANT BECAUSE THE GIRLS MOTHER HAD FORBIDDEN DAMIEN TO SEE HER AND THEY THOUGHT IF SHE GOT PREGNANT SHE COULDN'T KEEP HIM AWAY.
SUDBURY: OKAY
RIDGE: WAS THAT, I UNDERSTAND THEIR SPLIT WAS THAT SPLIT A BIG CONFLICT OR WAS IT SORTA JUST SHE WENT HER WAY AND HE WENT HIS WAY?
HUTCHISON: NO IT WAS A BIG CONFLICT, IT WAS NOT BETWEEN DAMIEN AND DEANNA, BUT BETWEEN HER PARENTS AND DAMIEN. THEY DID NOT LIKE HIM AND THEY DIDN'T WANT HIM AROUND.
SUDBURY: HOW DID HE ACCEPT THAT AFTER. I UNDERSTAND THEY RAN A WAY TOGETHER?
HUTCHISON: YES THEY DID.
SUDBURY: AFTER THAT IS WHEN SHE PUT A END TO THE RELATIONSHIP, HOW DID HE ACCEPT THAT?
HUTCHISON: HE WAS PUT IN THE HOSPITAL
SUDBURY: HE WAS PRETTY UPSET ABOUT THAT?
HUTCHISON: YES HE WAS, AT THAT POINT AND TIME HE DIDN'T CARE IF HE LIVED
SUDBURY: IS THAT THE ONLY TIME HE'S BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL?
HUTCHISON: NO, HE'S BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL 3 TIMES I
HUTCHISON: (CON'T) BELIEVE.
SUDBURY: NOW WE ARE TALKING MEDICAL OR
HUTCHISON: NO, MENTAL AT CHARTER, MAUMELLE AT LITTLE ROCK. HE HAS BEEN THERE 2 OR 3 TIMES AND WAS IN ALSO IN ST. VINCENT'S HOSPITAL IN OREGON.
SUDBURY: WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME HE HAD BEEN IN THAT SITTING WAS IN OREGON?
HUTCHISON: UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
SUDBURY: IN MENTAL?
RIDGE: THE TIME IS 11:07, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAS BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE HOSPITAL. HAS HE EVER BEEN WHAT YOU WOULD TRY TO BE VIOLENT?
HUTCHISON: TO HIMSELF
RIDGE: TO HIMSELF, NEVER OUTWARD?
HUTCHISON: M-M-M NO, MAYBE VERBALLY AT THE TIME WE WERE IN OREGON, HE WAS, BUT IT WAS ONLY AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN HIM AND HIS DAD. IT WAS A LOT OF SCREAMING AND HOLLERING, BUT THAT WAS ALL THAT TOOK PLACE.
RIDGE: YOUR ATTITUDE FOR BEING HERE TODAY, DO YOU RESENT BEING HERE?
HUTCHISON: YES, I DO
RIDGE: DO YOU MIND TELLING US WHY.
HUTCHISON: I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL WE ARE UNDER WATCH. BECAUSE MY SON HAS MENTAL PROBLEMS AND I THINK THAT EVERY WHICH WAY HE TURNS, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BLAME HIM FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
RIDGE: OKAY
SUDBURY: ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INDECENT OR ANYTHING
HUTCHISON: ANYTHING IN GENERAL, THAT HAPPENS IN WEST MEMPHIS. AND I KNOW, THAT JERRY DRIVER DOES NOT LIKE HIM. JERRY DRIVER, WHEN THE INCIDENT WITH DEANNA HOLCOMB TOOK PLACE, WHERE DAMIEN AND DEANNA HAD RUN OFF, JERRY DRIVER WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ANYBODY SIDE BUT THE HOLCOMBS, AND I JUST
SUDBURY: DO YOU PERSONALLY FEEL THAT YOUR SON HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE DEATH OF THESE BOYS?
HUTCHISON: I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE DOESN'T
SUDBURY: OKAY, YOU FEEL VERY STRONG ABOUT THAT?
HUTCHISON: YES, I DO, AND NOT JUST BECAUSE HE'S MY SON, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW HIS WHEREABOUTS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS HIS WHEREABOUTS.
SUDBURY: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR SON NEEDS AN ATTORNEY?
HUTCHISON: UM-M BECAUSE OF HIM BEING QUESTIONED REPEATEDLY, YES I DO. I NOTIFIED HIM BEFORE I CAME DOWN HERE.
SUDBURY: YOU NOTIFIED HIM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU CAME DOWN HERE TODAY?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT, I CALLED AND NOTIFIED MY ATTORNEY AND DAMIEN'S ATTORNEY.
SUDBURY: OKAY
RIDGE: DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NO UNDER ARREST AT ALL?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND
RIDGE: WE HAVEN'T FORCED YOU TO COME HERE. WE ASKED YOU?
HUTCHISON: RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT
RIDGE: OKAY, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS INTERVIEW?
HUTCHISON: M-M
SUDBURY: SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW, THAT YOU WANT TO TELL US?
RIDGE: DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE CHECKING INTO, THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T CHECKED?
HUTCHISON: I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE CHECKING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN THESE YOUNG TEEN AGE BOYS. I THINK THESE BOYS ARE, MAYBE A LITTLE MISCHIEVOUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT AS FOR AS DOING ANYTHING LIKE MURDERING THESES BOYS, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY RIGHT.
SUDBURY: I'M GOING TO ASK YOU SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT TO ANGER OR INSULT YOU, I'VE ASKED OTHER WOMEN THIS QUESTION, AND ME TOO, UH, AND I'VE GOTTEN BOTH YES AND NO RESPONSES, IF YOU FELT LIKE YOUR SON, NOT NECESSARILY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT HAD SOME KNOWLEDGE OF IT, OR PERHAPS HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS, WOULD YOU FEEL THAT YOU WOULD LIE FOR HIM?
HUTCHISON: NO, I WOULD NOT. UH, HE IF KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, IF I FELT LIKE HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, I WOULD SUGGEST TO HIM, THAT HE TELL.
SUDBURY: DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE PERSON THAT DID THIS, WOULD NEED SOME TYPE OF HELP, RATHER THAN TO BE JUST LOCKED UP?
HUTCHISON: OH, YES. I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, ALL I KNOW
SUDBURY: IT JUST RUMORS
HUTCHISON: RIGHT.
SUDBURY: AND I IMAGINE THAT YOU'VE HEARD JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD?
HUTCHISON: YES, I HAVE, YES I HAVE. BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOME REALLY SICK PERSON OUT THERE.
RIDGE: I DO TOO. CAN I ASK YOU YOUR OPINION, OUR POLYGRAPH EXAMINER HAS EXPRESSED TO HIM, THAT YOUR SON FLUNKED THE TEST, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENCOURAGE DAMIEN TO TAKE ANOTHER POLYGRAPH BY ANOTHER EXAMINER, WOULD YOU ALLOW THAT?
HUTCHISON: I WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK WITH HIS ATTORNEY AND SEE WHAT THE ATTORNEY SUGGEST.
RIDGE: OKAY
HUTCHISON: OR RECOMMEND.
RIDGE: WE ARE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO RUN DOWN ALL AND NAY ALIBIS, UH WHERE DAMIEN WAS, THE TIME PERIODS AND EVERYTHING. ARE YOU FAIRLY CERTAIN OF EACH OF THESE TIME PERIODS?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN?
HUTCHISON: PARTICULARLY WEDNESDAY
RIDGE: PARTICULARLY WEDNESDAY, WHERE I TO INFORM YOU THAT THE TIME PERIOD OF WHEN YOU PICKED HIM UP AT ALEXANDERS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED OTHER, BY OTHER METHODS AND OTHER WITNESSES TO SAY THAT, WHAT TIME WAS BETWEEN 7:30 AND 8:00,
RIDGE: (CON'T) ARE YOU STEADFAST THAT IT HAPPENED AT ABOUT 3:30?
HUTCHISON: THAT I PICKED HIM UP ABOUT 3:30?
RIDGE: YES
HUTCHISON: ABOUT FIFTEEN TILL FOUR
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, AND SO, THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE IN ERROR WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT WAS CLOSER TO 7:30 OR 8:00.
HUTCHISON: MOST DEFINITELY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
RIDGE: OKAY, SO YOU ARE STEADFAST IN YOUR TIME?
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT AT THIS POINT AS FOR AS I CAN TELL I THINK THAT WAS RE READY TO CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW,
SUDBURY: UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?
HUTCHISON: M-M-M NO.
RIDGE: OKAY, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION WAS TAPED.
HUTCHISON: YES
RIDGE: ALRIGHT, THAT IS NO PROBLEM WITH YOU?
HUTCHISON: NO
SUDBURY: AND YOU DID TALK YOUR ATTORNEY BEFORE CAME HERE?
HUTCHISON: YES, I DID, WELL I DID NOT SPEAK WITH AN ATTORNEY, HE WAS IN COURT, SO I GUESS IT WAS HIS SECRETARY WAS NOTIFYING HIM THAT I WAS COMING DOWN HERE.
RIDGE: DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU PERSONALLY NEED AN ATTORNEY?
HUTCHISON: UH, NO I DON'T FEEL PERSONALLY THAT I NEED AN ATTORNEY, AS TO REPRESENT ME FOR ANYTHING, OR AS FOR AS THAT GOES TO REPRESENT DAMIEN FOR ANYTHING.
RIDGE: IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT OUR ATTITUDE MADE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE A SUSPECT OF ANYTHING?
HUTCHISON: NO
RIDGE: OKAY
SUDBURY: DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING WITH US THIS MORNING?
HUTCHISON: YEAH
SUDBURY: DO YOU FEEL THREATENED BY US OR ANYTHING?
HUTCHISON: NO, I DON'T FEEL THREATENED AND IT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT, LIKE I'M SUPPOSE TO REMEMBER TUESDAY AND THE EXACT TIMES, THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I'M NOT ONE TO REMEMBER TIME EXACTLY, BUT I CAN COME PRETTY CLOSE.
RIDGE: OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I GUESS WE ARE GOING TO CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW, THE TIME IS 11:14.
