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IT'S 11:10 A.M., THIS IS MAY THE 24TH 1993 THIS IS JIM MCREYNOLDS DETECTIVE WITH THE CLARK COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT I'M IN MY OFFICE AND WITH ME IS RICKY L. MURRAY, MR. MURRAY YOU LIVE AT THIS TIME AT 4814 OLD SAWMILL ROAD, IN HENRYVILLE, INDIANA, UM, MR. MURRAY I'M HOLDING A SHEET OF PAPER IN MY HAND THAT YOU JUST SIGNED AND IS THIS YOUR NAME YOUR SIGNATURE ON THE BOTTOM?
MURRAY - YES SIR
MCREYNOLDS - WHERE I READ YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS?
MURRAY - YES SIR
MCREYNOLDS - AND YOU AGREE TO AND TALK TO ME AND GIVE AN INTERVIEW IS THAT CORRECT?
MURRAY - YES SIR
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM, MR. MURRAY UH, DETECTIVE BURCH FROM THE WEST MEMPHIS.... MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT UH, CALLED ME TODAY AND WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, I'M NOT REAL KNOWLEDGEABLE ON ANY OF THIS THAT I'M ASKING YOU IF UH, IF I SAY ANYTHING THAT OFFEND'S YOU OR..., OR ANYTHING I SHOULDN'T HAVE I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR IT IN ADVANCE BECAUSE I JUST NOT I DON'T UH HAVE ANY INFORMATION UM TO REALLY RUN WITH ON THIS. WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN ASKING YOU ABOUT IS THE 5TH DAY MAY WHICH WOULD BE ON A WEDNESDAY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH UM THE 5TH OF MAY?
MURRAY - YES, I REMEMBER EXACTLY
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UH COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU DID ON THE 5TH OF MAY?
MURRAY - ME AND ROY HUDSON WE WERE OUT HUNTING WORK AND WE WENT BY THE CHURCH WHERE HE'S A PASTOR, AND YOU KNOW PART TIME AND UM WE WERE OUT THERE SCRAPING PAINT OFF THE CHURCH AND THE REASON WE WERE THERE IS I DON'T HAVE A PHONE, ALRIGHT WE WERE USING THE CHURCH PHONE TO CALL COMPANIES ABOUT WORK AND WHILE WE WERE THERE I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE INCLUDING THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH WHICH IS BROTHER COX, AND UM THERE WAS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH THAT WERE THERE HELPING SCRAP PAINT OFF THE CHURCH WALLS AND YOU KNOW REDOING IT, AND UM, (INAUDIBLE) I WAS OUTSIDE AND YOU KNOW LET ME SEE, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH THEY DON'T LIKE FOR YOU TO SMOKE CIGARETTES SO WE WENT AND SAT DOWN IN THE ALLEY AND WE TALKED THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT NOT YOU KNOW I REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW I MEANT THEM ONCE AND THAT WAS THAT DAY AND WE SIT THERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S REAL FUNNY ABOUT IT WAS THERE WAS 3 KIDS PLAYING IN THE ALLEY AND UM, PROBABLY DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS BUT IT'S I WAS TELLING THE GUY THAT THESE THREE BOYS THAT WERE PLAYING IN THE ALLEY THEY WERE LIKE THIS TALL I SAID UH, YOU KNOW THEIR PARENTS DON'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH THEM, JUST OUT THERE IN THE ALLEY PLAYING, I SAID YOU KNOW A COP COULD BE CHASING A CAR YOU KNOW AND RAN OVER THEM OR SOMETHING OR SOMEONE BE BACKING OUT AND HIT THEM, AND I WAS REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND THEN YOU KNOW THIS HAPPENS, BUT UM, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT TEN, MAYBE EVEN MORE PEOPLE THAT SEEN ME THAT DAY THAT KNOW I WAS I TOWN UH, I CALLED AROUND I WAS JUST YOU KNOW WE'VE JUST REAL LOW ON MONEY SO I WAS CALLING CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES TRYING TO FOUND WORK AND I CALLED THIS FORGED WHICH IS UH UM, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT I HAVE NOT DONE ANY BUSINESS EVER BEFORE AND THEY HAD SOME BLUE PRINTS ON UH, LIKE UH, SCHOOL FOR BOYS, AND THEY ASK ME TO COME OUT YOU KNOW AND LOOK AT THE BLUE PRINTS AT 3 O'CLOCK TO GIVE THEM A BID ON IT, SO I WENT OUT AND UH, THEIR AND GAVE THEM THE BID I, A SECRETARY SEEN ME THAT DAY AND THE GUY THAT LET ME LOOK AT THE PRINTS, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT, WHEN I WENT OUT THAT YOU KNOW IT WAS 3 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING.
MCREYNOLDS - 3 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING
MURRAY - AND THEN ON.... ON THE WAY HOME IT WAS PROBABLY 4:30 BEFORE ME ROY ACTUALLY GOT HOME THAT EVENING AND UM, THE KIDS CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL, . THEY SEEN I WAS HOME MY FIANCE CAME HOME FROM WORK SHE SEEN THAT I WAS AT HOME AND I WAS AT HOME UNTIL I DON'T KNOW SOMETIME THAT EVENING UH, I WAS THERE WHEN OUR KITTENS WAS BORN AND THEY WERE BORN ABOUT 7:30 THAT EVENING WHICH WAS THE TIME THAT ACTUALLY MY SON WAS BEING MURDERED AT 6:30 WEST MEMPHIS TIME, HE WAS BEING MURDERED IN THE WOODS AT THAT TIME.
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, IS THAT THE TIME THAT THE POLICE HAVE ESTIMATED THAT?
MURRAY - WELL THEY WERE, THEY WERE SEARCHING FOR THEM, AT UM, THEY WERE LAST SEEN AT 5:15 AND 6, BETWEEN 5:15 AND 6 O'CLOCK THAT EVENING RIDING THEIR BICYCLES, WHEN THE SEARCH STARTED IT WAS AT 7:30
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD MY MARK BYERS AND WHAT'S PUT IN THE PAPER
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT, OKAY, SO YOU SUCH FIGURED THAT AT 7:30 IS WHEN THEY WERE KILLED (INAUDIBLE)?
MURRAY - I FIGURED THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE YOU KNOW WITHIN THAT VICINITY SEE, THEY WERE SEEN AT 5 YOU KNOW SEE I'VE GOT A NEWSPAPER IN THE CAR, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO SEE A LAWYER
MCREYNOLDS - YEA
MURRAY - OVER IT BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID THEIR JOB DOWN THERE
MCREYNOLDS - YEA (INAUDIBLE)
MURRAY - AND SO FORTH YOU KNOW AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO SOME LAWYERS TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW MY RIGHTS ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - BUT UM, I FEEL LIKE DURING THE TIME PERIODS THAT THEY WERE MISSING, WHEN THEY WERE SEEN PLAYING OUT IN THE WOODS BY A WITNESS, YOU KNOW IN THE PAPER AND FROM WHAT MARK BYERS, WHICH IS MY SON'S STEPFATHER HAD TOLD ME, YOU KNOW THAT, BUT IF I FEEL THAT IT HAD TO HAPPEN DURING THE PERIOD, OR BEEN YOU KNOW THEY, THERE'S NO WAY THE GUY, THEY TIED THREE BOYS UP AND DONE STRIPPED ALL THEIR CLOTHES OFF AND DONE THAT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND I FEEL LIKE FROM THE LAST TIME, THE LAST TIME THE BOYS WERE SEEN, AND FROM THE TIME MARK CALLED THE POLICE, THIS WAS IN ACT, THIS WAS GOING ON, THAT'S THE WAY I FELL ABOUT IT.
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM WHAT TIME DID YOU AND RAY HUDSOE GET AT THE CHURCH?
MURRAY - RAY HUDSON
MCREYNOLDS - HUDSON
MURRAY - WHAT TIME DID WE GET AT THE CHURCH?
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - UM, PROBABLY ABOUT 8 OR 9 O'CLOCK
MCREYNOLDS - 8 OR 9 O'CLOCK AND UM, YOU WENT TO SEE ABOUT THE UM...., THE BLUE PRINTS
MURRAY - I WENT TO SEE ABOUT THE BLUE PRINTS UH, HE LEFT AND WENT SOMEWHERE, I THINK HE WENT TO LOOK AT A TRUCK
MCREYNOLDS - YEA
MURRAY - YOU KNOW ON A CAR LOT, AND HE COME BACK AND WE HAD PROBABLY LIKE 30 MINUTES, WHICH THAT WAS ABOUT 2:30, WE HAD ABOUT 30 MINUTES AND I TOLD HIM I HAD GOT AHOLD OF HIS COMPANY IT'S UH, FORGED CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT'S OVER IN LOUISVILLE AND I TOLD HIM THAT UH
MCREYNOLDS - OVER IN LOUISVILLE?
MURRAY - OVER IN LOUISVILLE
MCREYNOLDS - IS THERE A LOUISVILLE DOWN THERE TOO?
MURRAY - LOUISVILLE DOWN WHERE?
MCREYNOLDS - I'M, WHILE ALL THIS WAS GOING ON UH, I WAS ASSUMING THAT YOU WERE IN WEST MEMPHIS IS THAT RIGHT?
MURRAY - NO, UH-UH
MCREYNOLDS - YOU WAS HERE IN?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OH, OKAY, I WAS
MURRAY - THE LAST TIME I'VE BEEN TO WEST MEMPHIS, WAS UH, WHEN THE LAST TIME I WAS IN WEST MEMPHIS I WAS TRAVELING BACK
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM, WHERE IS THE CHURCH AT?
MURRAY - THE CHURCH IS IN NEW ALBANY
MCREYNOLDS - IN NEW ALBANY, OKAY, AND..., AND YOU AND RAY HUDSON WAS DOWN THERE AND YOU WENT TO THE FORGED YOU CALLED THE FORGED PLACE IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, ALRIGHT
MURRAY - IT'S OVER THERE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PART, THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT, WE WENT OVER THERE AND MY, YOU KNOW IT'S MY FIRST TIME EVER MEETING THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND..., AND THEM ALONG AND NOT COUNTING ALL THE WITNESSES AT CHURCH AND BROTHER COX AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS WHERE I WAS AT THAT TIME
MCREYNOLDS - OH REALLY WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE CHURCH?
MURRAY - UH SHUT, I DON'T KNOW IT'S A PENTECOSTAL SEE MY FATHER, HE'S MY FATHER-IN-LAW ROY HUDSON
MCREYNOLDS - YEAH
MURRAY - AND YOU KNOW HE'S THE PASTOR AND HE'S BEEN DEALING WITH THESE PEOPLE WITH AT THIS CHURCH YOU KNOW PREACHING SOME OF THE TIME AND HELPING THEM SINCE HE'S A CARPENTER ALSO, HE'S BEEN HELPING THEM RESTORE THEIR CHURCH
MCREYNOLDS - OH, OKAY
MURRAY - AND AS FAR AS BEING, GOING TO THE CHURCH I MYSELF HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE CHURCH OTHER THAN GOING IN THERE USING THEIR PHONE TO CALL ABOUT WORK BECAUSE THEIR LETTING HIM DO THAT AND WE'LL FIXING LIKE TO START A OFFICE OUT OF THERE YOU KNOW TO CONTACT UNTIL WE CAN GET THINGS SITUATED
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - AT HOME
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT
MURRAY - WE'LL USE THE OFFICE THERE
MCREYNOLDS - AND YOU SAID YOU GOT HOME ABOUT 7, OR UM, ABOUT 4:30
MURRAY - ABOUT 4:30
MCREYNOLDS - AND THEN YOU WERE AT HOME AT 7:30 WHEN THE KITTENS WERE BORN?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, DID YOU LEAVE AFTER THAT?
MURRAY - NO, I WAS AT HOME ALL THAT NIGHT AND THEN THE NEXT DAY, I GOT UP AND WENT BACK OUT SEARCHING MORE WORK
MCREYNOLDS - YEA
MURRAY - AND UH, I CAME BACK HOME THAT EVENING MY BROTHER-IN-LAW CAME UP AND WANTED
MCREYNOLDS - WHO WOULD YOU BROTHER-IN-LAW BE?
MURRAY - UH, MIKE MURPHY
MCREYNOLDS - MIKE MURPHY
MURRAY - HE CAME UP AND TOLD ME THAT UH, HE NEEDED TO UM, NEED ME TO GO WITH HIM AND SEE WE DON'T HAVE A PHONE THERE AT THE HOUSE AND YOU KNOW BILLS AND STUFF DURING THE WINTER WE LOST OUR PHONE
MCREYNOLDS - WHERE DOES MR. MURPHY UM LIVE?
MURRAY - HE LIVES ACTUALLY HE LIVES WITH US BUT HE HAS A FIANCE THAT LIVES (INAUDIBLE) AND A FRIEND THAT LIVES AT ADMORE TRAILER PARK
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - AND HE UM, IT'S WHEN HE DON'T COME HOME HE SPENDS THE NIGHT AT ONE OF THOSE TWO PLACES
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - BUT THAT FOLLOWING NIGHT THAT MY SON WAS MURDERED HE DID NOT COME HOME, SO YOU KNOW NORMALLY HE WOULD OF BEEN A WITNESS THAT I WAS AT HOME, BUT HE DIDN'T COME HOME THAT NIGHT. BUT ALL YOU KNOW MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MOTHER-IN-LAW AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I'VE MENTIONED THEY KNOW I WAS IN INDIANA AT THE TIME THAT ALL THIS TOOK PLACE
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, MIKE MURPHY DOESN'T HAVE A EX-WIFE THAT LIVES ON FIXTURED ROAD DOES HE?
MURRAY - FIXTURED ROAD NO HE NEVER BEEN MARRIED
MCREYNOLDS - NEVER BEEN MARRIED ALRIGHT, UM CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU DID THE NEXT DAY DO YOU REMEMBER IT?
MURRAY - THE NEXT DAY UM,
MCREYNOLDS - THAT WOULD BEEN THE 6TH ON A THURSDAY IN MAY?
MURRAY - WELL ON THE 6TH, WE UH, ME ROY WENT HUNTED WORK AND I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY OTHER THAN UM, I KNOW WE WENT AND HUNTED WORK AND EVERYTHING BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE DAYS IS THE DAY MY SON WAS MURDERED OR THE DAY B... AFTER, (INAUDIBLE) WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN THE 5TH OR THE 6TH, THERE WAS A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT UM, AND THE UM, MEDIAN WHEN YOUR GOING OUT 65 WE PASSED THERE AND THERE WAS MOTORCYCLES OFF IN THE MEDIAN AND UM, A BUNCH OF AMBULANCES AND STUFF AND THERE WAS BODIES ALL OUT IN THE MEDIAN, THAT EVENING
MCREYNOLDS - WHERE ABOUTS WAS THIS AT?
MURRAY - IT WAS UM, YOU WHERE THE..., THE 264 HWY CROSSES 65 THERE
MCREYNOLDS - WELL THERE'S 265 THAT CONNECTS I-64 AND I-65
MURRAY - WELL THAT'S WHAT IT IS WHEN.... WHEN YOUR GOING UNDER THAT YOU GO ON UP ABOUT A QUARTER MILE ON THE LEFT THERE WERE BODIES STROWED ALL OUT IN THE MEDIAN AND THE AMBULANCES WAS THERE AND THE MOTORCYCLE WAS DOWN OFF IN THE MEDIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HIT... CAR OR WHAT BUT IT LOOKED PRETTY BAD
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, LIKE SAY YOU AND UH MR.HUDSON LOOKED
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - FOR WORK THE ENTIRE DAY?
MURRAY - WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK ABOUT ALMOST EVERYDAY WHEN HE WASN'T WORKING AT THE CHURCH, WE'VE BEEN
MCREYNOLDS - IS HE THE GRAY HEADED GENTLEMAN THAT WAS AT YOUR HOUSE WHEN I?
MURRAY - RIGHT, WAS THAT YOU THAT CAME OUT?
MCREYNOLDS - YES, UH-HUH
MURRAY - YES THAT...., THAT'S ROY HUDSON
MCREYNOLDS - OH OKAY, ALRIGHT SO YOU SPENT THE ENTIRE DAY OF THE 6TH YOU AND MR. HUDSON LOOKING FOR WORK ANY IDEA ABOUT WHAT TIME YOU GOT HOME?
MURRAY - 6TH UM, IT WAS EARLY THAT DAY, IT HAD TO BE EARLY THAT DAY TO BEACUSE I WAS THERE WHEN MY BROTHER-IN-LAW CAME UP WHICH WASN'T VERY LATE
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT TIME DON'T KNOW IT HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW ANY WHERE FROM 4:10 AND YOU KNOW 5 O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHICH
MCREYNOLDS - UM, RICK I WAS TALKING WITH DETECTIVE RICK OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UH WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS UM, BEING RUN ON A POLYGRAPH, YOU KNOW WHAT A POLYGRAPH IS?
MURRAY - YEA
MCREYNOLDS - WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS IF UM, ??? ??? POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT ONE DOWN STAIRS, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BEING RUN ON ONE OF THOSE?
MURRAY - NO SIR
MCREYNOLDS - AND YOU WILL GO WITH ME RIGHT NOW AND LET ME RUN IT ON YOU
MURRAY - YES SIR
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM..., UM THAT WOULD YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT I ASK YOU WOULD TELL IF YOUR TELLING ME THE TRUTH OR NOT AND THEN, AND THEN UM IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU..., YOU KNOW YOU COULD SAY HERE I AM I'VE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH ON EVERYTHING THE MACHINE SAYS SO
MURRAY - UH-HUH
MCREYNOLDS - WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU GO DOWN WITH ME NOW?
MURRAY - YEA I WOULD
MCREYNOLDS - SURE, NO PROBLEM WHAT SO EVER?
MURRAY - NO PROBLEM
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM I AM APPRECIATE YOU BEING UP FRONT WITH ME, I APPRECIATE YOU COOPERATING WITH ME, I'M GOING TO GET SOME HAIR FROM YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TODAY, THEY WANTED ME TO GET SOME BLOOD SAMPLES, I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF TAKING ANY BLOOD, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I, IF YOU'VE GOT NO OBJECTION, FURTHER OBJECTIONS I WILL TOOK SOME UM...., UM SOME HAIR AND UM FINGERPRINT YOU IS THAT OKAY?
MURRAY - THAT'S FINE
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, I SURE APPRECIATE YOU UM COOPERATION ON THIS AND, DO YOU, DO YOU, BEFORE I CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEALS OR UM, OR THEORIES ABOUT THE HOMICIDE OF YOUR SON AND HIS TWO FRIENDS?
MURRAY - (INAUDIBLE) SEE WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I WENT OUT THERE, I TRIED TO GET THERE BEFORE THE FUNERAL
MCREYNOLDS - YEA
MURRAY - BECAUSE YOU KNOW I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT HAVE KILLED MY SON
MCREYNOLDS - SURE
MURRAY - WHEN I GOT OUT THERE I SEEN THE TRUCKS STOP YOU KNOW AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW AND I'M TALKING ABOUT A BIG TRUCK STOP, TO WHERE AS MUCH AS 50 TRUCKS COULD PARK IN THERE AND I'M LIKE MAN YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYBODY, AND UM I GOT UM BROTHER MY BROTHER-IN-LAW UM FRIEND WHO'S UM ARRON UH, WOOD HE HAD MOVED BACK FROM UH SAN DIEGO, PROBABLY ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO PRIOR OF THE MURDER, HE HAD MOVED BACK TO INDIANA AND UM, ANYWAY WHEN IT ALL HAPPENED HE TOLD ME, HE SAID YOU KNOW THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN SAN DIEGO, HE SAID YOU KNOW TWO KIDS YOU KNOW WERE ABDUCTED FROM BICYCLES AND MURDERED AND SO FORTH AND HE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THAT, AND SO WHEN I WENT DOWN TO MEMPHIS, AND I UH, I WENT AND LOOKED WHERE..., WHERE IT HAPPENED AND I WENT IN ONE STREET AND IT'S A DEAD END YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW IT'S A BUNCH OF DEAD ENDS, FROM WHAT I GATHERED THAT GO INTO THIS HERE LIKE CHANNEL OF WATER WILL I WALKED FROM THERE UH, PROBABLY TO THE ONE DIDN'T THAT WASN'T TAPED OFF BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THIS MAP THAT WAS INDICATING THE AREA, SEE I HAD NEVER BEEN IN THE AREA, ME AND MY UH EX-WIFE WE HAVE ALOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE PAST, SO I'VE NEVER ASSOCIATED WITH HER, IN OVER PROBABLY 5 YEARS ABOUT THE LAST I'VE SPOKEN TO HER AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY LIVED OR ANYTHING, THE ONLY REASON I FOUND OUT, FOUND WHERE SHE LIVED WHEN THE DAY OF THE FUNERAL I WENT TO HER HOUSE YOU KNOW AND SEE IF IT WAS ALRIGHT THAT I CAME IN AND TALKED TO HER ABOUT MY SON'S DEATH AND STUFF, ONLY REASON I KNEW WHERE SHE LIVED THEN BECAUSE IT WAS PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND I WENT UP THERE AND TALKED TO HER AND EVERYTHING. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I LEFT THERE, BEFORE I WENT THERE I WENT TO THAT ONE DEAD END STREET AND I WALKED UP THE TRAIL NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF A MILE AND UM, IT WAS, I WALKED UP TO..., TO WHERE THE WATER WAS, AND I SEEN A CHANNEL OF WATER THERE AND THEN I TURNED AROUND AND WALKED BACK TO THE CAR, BUT THERE WAS, I COULD TELL WHERE THERE HAD BEEN 4 WHEELER TRACKS AND ALL YOU KNOW SEARCHING THROUGH THE SMASHED DOWN THE CRAP, YOU KNOW THE GRASS AND EVERYTHING SO I WENT BACK TO THE CAR AND TOLD MY FIANCE, I SAID LETS GO ON DOWN HERE WHERE THE PAPER SHOWS THAT THEY WERE TIED OFF YOU KNOW, AND SO WE WENT DOWN THERE, AND THEY HAVE IT, THEY HAD IT TIED OFF WITH YELLOW TAPE AND STUFF AND WE WERE STANDING THERE AND I'M LIKE DEBUTING WILL CAN I GO BACK THERE, WILL I GET ARRESTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE I BETTER NOT CAUSE, YOU KNOW THEY GOT IT TAPED OFF, I'M (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW THEY MUST NOT WANT ME TO GO BACK THERE. AND SO THIS UH TELEVISION RE...., UH CHANNEL 5 HE CAME UP AND UH WE WERE LEAVING AT THAT TIME AND WE SEEN THIS TRUCK PULL UP, SO WE TURNED AROUND AND WE CAME BACK AND I GOT OUT AND ASK HIM YOU KNOW SOME QUESTIONS SEE IF HE KNEW ANYTHING, AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT UM, THE NEWSPAPER REPORTERS WAS SUPPOSE, I MEAN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING WAS SUPPOSE TO MEET HIM OUT THERE OR SOMETHING AND GIVE THEM SOME INFORMATION. AND SO I STOOD OUT THERE AND TALKED TO HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, AND HE HAD ALSO HELPED HUNT FOR MY SON THAT EVENING AND UM, AND HE KNEW, I THINK HE KNEW MARK BYERS SOMEWHAT FROM WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND WE JUST STOOD OUT THERE AND WE TALKED AND ABOUT THAT TIME THIS UM, THERE WAS ONE CAR THAT CAME BY I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY YOU KNOW IT WAS JUST YOU KNOW PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL CAR HE JUST CAME BY LOOKING AROUND LIKE OUT OF CURIOSITY OR SOMETHING AND HE PASSED AND HE CAME BACK THROUGH AND THEN A FEW MINUTES LATER THIS UM, WHITE, I MEAN THIS UM, TRUCK WITH CABLEVISION HE CAME THROUGH AND HE WENT DOWN THE STREET AND HE CIRCLED BACK AROUND AND HE CAME BACK THROUGH AGAIN AND MY FIANCE WAS LOOKING AT HIM, WELL HE SEEN MY FIANCE LOOK AT HIM AND HE TURNED HIS HEAD REAL FAST, AND SO WE UM GOT HOME THAT NIGHT SHE CALLED HER EX-HUSBAND. EX-HUSBAND, WELL THEIR NOT EX YET, YOU KNOW THEIR STILL MARRIED BUT THEY BEEN SEPERATED FOR 5 YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN WITH TERESA SINCE SHE CALLED HIM BECAUSE, TO FOUND OUT IF WE HAD CAUGHT WORD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NO PHONE, AND WE WANTED TO KNOW YOU KNOW KEEPING CHECK WITH OUR KIDS AND WE CALLED TO SEE IF HE HAD HEARD WHETHER EVERYTHING WAS GOING ALRIGHT YOU KNOW, AND SO SHE WAS ON THE PHONE TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE CASE AND HE SAID YOU KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE GIRL IN MEMPHIS THAT THE CABLE MAN CAME IN, OR SOMETHING OR ANOTHER ABOUT A CABLE MAN HAD TRIED TO MOLEST THIS LITTLE GIRL AND THE MOTHER WALKED IN AND GOT HIM AND HE SAID THAT CABLE GUY WAS ALSO WORKING WHAT THE SAME AREA OF WEST MEMPHIS AT THE TIME OF THE MURDER. AND SO THE FIRST I THOUGHT I WOULD CALL THE COPS, YOU KNOW THE DETECTIVE THAT THERE AND LET HIM KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AND YOU KNOW BECAUSE I REALLY HADN'T EVEN TALKED TO HIM SO I CALLED HIM AND UH, I ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS AND TOLD HIM WHAT I HAD HEARD ABOUT WHAT I HAD ABOUT THE CABLEVISION GUY AND HE SAID THAT WAS NEW TO HIM AND BUT HE SAID THAT UH, SEEM LIKE I DID CALL THE DETECTIVE AT THE HOTEL BEFORE THAT AND HE COULDN;T OWN ALOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW HE JUST TOLD ME WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE THEY THEY MIGHT HAVE OR SOMETHING, HE DIDN'T REALLY TELL ME THAT YOU KNOW THEY WON'T GIVE OUT ANY EVIDENCE REALLY BUT UM, THEN I CALLED HIM THAT NIGHT YOU KNOW WOULD I HEARD THAT CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THE SHOULD KNOW AND UM, AND HE TOLD ME HE HAD NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING SUCH AS THAT WAS NEW TO HIM, AND THAT HE WOULD CHECK INTO THAT AND A ASK HIM ABOUT THE UH, ABOUT THE UH, SAN DIEGO THING AND HE SAID THAT THE SAN DIEGO THING THEY HAD BEEN CHECKING IT SINCE DAY ONE, BUT I REMEMBER THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD SPOKEN TO HIM BECAUSE I DID TRY TO CALL HIM FROM THE HOTEL AND I COULDN'T GET THROUGH TO HIM, AND I JUST GAVE UP BECAUSE THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE I WENT TO THE FUNERAL AND I HAD LIFTED TIME AND I WAS TRYING TO TALK TO HIM AGAIN AND I COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF HIM SO I TRIED TO CALL HIM TWICE WHEN I WAS THERE AND THEN I TALKED TO THIS OTHER DETECTIVE THAT NIGHT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE TALKED TO THE DETECTIVES OTHER THAN YOU NOW.
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT, LET ME SEE IF I CAN RECAP THIS THING SEE IF I GOT EVERYTHING RIGHT. ON THE MORNING OF THE 5TH BETWEEN 8 AND 9 O'CLOCK YOU AND YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW ROY HUDSON WENT TO THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH IN NEW ALBANY
MURRAY - YEA, I BELIEVE ITS A PENTECOSTAL
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, WHERE YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW IS A PASTOR IS THAT CORRECT OR MEMBER?
MURRAY - HE'S A MEMBER BUT HE PREACHES THERE SOME AND TEACHES UM SUNDAY SCHOOL
MCREYNOLDS - AND YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER IS THAT CORRECT?
MURRAY - NO I AM NOT
MCREYNOLDS - YOU JUST WENT WITH YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW, AND YOU ALL WHERE SCRAPING PAINT AT THE CHURCH?
MURRAY - I EXACTLY WAS NOT SCRAPING PAINT I WAS IN THERE ON THE PHONE CALLING BUSINESSES, SEE WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY FROM OUT BURNING GAS TRYING TO GO TO THESE JOB SITES
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - YOU GO TO THESE JOB SITES AND YOU KNOW YOU SEE A HOUSE REALLY FOR TRIM BUT THE BUILDER THERE NOT THERE TO TALK TO, SO THEN YOUR WASTING ALL THIS GAS RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIND (INAUDIBLE) WHERE WE JUST STARTED USING THE PHONE , WE FIGURED THAT WOULD GIVE US ???? JUST AS QUICK
MCREYNOLDS - YEA, SO YOU AND YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW ARE CALLING DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, NOT ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE CHURCH THEN YOU JUST USING THE PHONE?
MURRAY - NO, UH-UH. SEE I WAS JUST USING THE PHONE
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - NO HE WAS OUT THERE DEDICATING SOME OF HIS TIME SCRAPING PAINT OFF THE CHURCH
MCREYNOLDS - OH, OKAY
MURRAY - AND THEN THEY WAS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH THERE SCRAPING PAINT OFF AT THE SAME TIME
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT, AND WHAT TIME DID YOU ACTUALLY LEAVE THE CHURCH?
MURRAY - THAT EVENING I LEFT ABOUT 2:30, WE MADE IT TO THE YOU KNOW MEET AND GOT WITH THE GUY AT 3 O'CLOCK AT FORGED CONSTRUCTION IT'S OVER THERE IN LOUISVILLE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE NAME OF THE STREET IS, OR THERE FOR, BUT THEY HAVE LIKE SUITE IN WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND IT WAS MY FIRST TIME EVERY EVEN GOING IN THERE
MCREYNOLDS - DID FATHER-IN-LAW GO WITH YOU?
MURRAY - YEA, HE WENT WITH ME
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, AND THEN WHAT TIME DID YOU GET HOME?
MURRAY - I WOULD SAY ABOUT 4:30, 5
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, ALRIGHT
MURRAY - PROBABLY 4:30
MCREYNOLDS - DID YOU WORK AROUND THE HOUSE OR?
MURRAY - UM, SEE I WORK REMODELING, I WORK THERE ALL, WHEN I AIN'T WORKING I'M WORKING AT THE TRAILERS AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I DID
MCREYNOLDS - WHERE WERE THE KITTENS AT?
MURRAY - THE KITTENS, KITTEN, WHEN YOU COME OUT?
MCREYNOLDS - NO
MURRAY - OH, THE KITTENS WERE ON THE PORCH
MCREYNOLDS - ON THE PORCH? THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE BORNE?
MURRAY - THE, WHICH NIGHT WAS THIS? OH YEA, THE NIGHT THAT THE KITTENS WHERE BORN, WAS THE NIGHT MY SON WAS ACTUALLY MURDERED
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT WAS THE ACTUALLY DATE ON THAT?
MURRAY - THAT WAS THE 5TH I RECKON
MCREYNOLDS - THE 5TH
MURRAY - THE DAY HE WAS BORN, THE DAY HE WAS BEING BORNE, BECAUSE I WAS JUST YOU KNOW THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING AT THE TIME AND YOU KNOW LIKE I WAS TELLING YOU THOSE KIDS PLAYING IN THE ALLEY,
MCREYNOLDS - THAT UPSET ME
MURRAY - BECAUSE HERE I AM WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S KIDS, AND THAN A FEW HOURS AFTER THAT MY SON'S BEING MURDERED YOU KNOW SO, THINGS, THAT DAY STICKS IN MY HEAD MORE SO THEN ANY OF THEM, BECAUSE I'VE WENT BACK AND RECAPPED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THAT DAY
MCREYNOLDS - DID YOU HAVE ANY VISITOR'S THAT NIGHT OR ANYTHING?
MURRAY - ANY VISITOR'S
MCREYNOLDS - ON THE 5TH? JUST YOU AND TERESA THERE?
MURRAY - ME AND TERESA, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, UM, TIFFANY WHICH IS TERESA DAUGHTER AND JOSH WHICH HER SON WERE THERE
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT TERESA'S LAST NAME?
MURRAY - BROOKS
MCREYNOLDS - BROOKS, OKAY, WHAT IS (INAUDIBLE) EX-HUSBAND NAME?
MURRAY - AL, ALGENE BROOKS, HE..., LIVES IN MEMPHIS
MCREYNOLDS - MEMPHIS, OKAY, ALRIGHT, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY ON THE 6TH THEN WAS MORE OR LESS A REPEAT LOOKING FOR WORK OR?
MURRAY - THAT WHOLE WEEK WAS LIKE A REPEAT LOOKING FOR WORK
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT, BUT YOU DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH OR ANYTHING ON THE 6TH?
MURRAY - NO, I WENT TO THE CHURCH PRETTY MUCH UH, PROBABLY ONCE EVERYDAY THAT WEEK, YOU KNOW TO USE THE PHONE LIKE A COUPLE OF TIMES WE WENT OUT TO THE JOB SITES AND YOU KNOW WE WROTE DOWN NUMBERS OFF SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TALKED TO WHAT BUILDERS WE COULD FIND AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND CALL THESE PEOPLE AND UH, WE DONE THAT OFF AND ON ALL WEEK I HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE CHURCH
MCREYNOLDS - YEAH
MURRAY - YOU KNOW
MCREYNOLDS - WHEN WAS YOU NOTIFIED ABOUT YOUR SON?
MURRAY - THE 6TH
MCREYNOLDS - THE 6TH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE AT WHEN?
MURRAY - I WAS SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH ME, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, AND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WERE SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH, MY SON WAS OUT FRONT WASHING HIS CAR, WILL HE NOT MY SON, HE'S SOON TO BE STEP-SON, HE WAS OUT WASHING HIS CAR AND UM, INSTEAD OF SITTING IN THE LIVING ROOM LIKE HE WAS THAT DAY, WE WERE ALL SITTING OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND MY BROTHER-IN-LAW COMES PULLING UP, HE LOOKS AT THE KITTENS, AND THAT'S HOW HE FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE KITTENS THE 6TH, AND YOU KNOW IT'S HIS CAT AND HE CAME UP AND STARTED LOOKING AT HIS KITTENS AND EVERYTHING ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING WAS ALRIGHT, AND UM, HIM AND ARRON, WHICH ARRON WORKS WITH HIM THERE AT (INAUDIBLE) THEY WERE GETTING READY TO LEAVE AND UM, HE SAID RICK WE NEED YOU TO GO WITH US, I NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOMETHING, AND UH SO I WENT AND GOT MY STUFF YOU KNOW, WHAT EVER CIGARETTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I WENT AND GOT THEM AND I WENT OUT TO THE TRUCK WITH HIM AND HIS MOTHER WAS SAYING IS IT SOMETHING ...., SOMETHING SERIOUS OR WHAT? BECAUSE IS WAS ACTING REAL PRIVATE ABOUT IT AND I JUST THOUGHT HE KINDA STAYS PRIVATE WITH HIS MOTHER YOU KNOW A LOT SO I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SOMETHING HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT, HE WANTED TO TALK TO ME BUT NOT IN FRONT OF HER AND UH, SEE MY FATHER-IN-LAW HE'S ABOUT, I MEAN GRANDFATHER LIVES IN MEMPHIS TO, WELL ANYWAY HE SAYS HE, WHEN WE GOT IN THE TRUCK HE SAID HE GOT A CALL FROM MEMPHIS I'M LIKE OH NO NOT MY GRANDFATHER, AND UH, THEY SAID WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT BUT THEY DID, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TELL ME, THEY WANTED ME TO CALL MY COUSIN, AND LET MY COUSIN TELL ME, YOU KNOW SINCE SHE WAS A FAMILY MEMBER, SHE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO TELL ME SHE WANTED TO TELL ME, AND UH ARRON WENT AND PATTED ME ON THE BACK, AND I LIKE OH NO WHEN HE DID THEN WHEN HE DID THAT IT WAS A DEATH AND THOUGHT IT WAS MY FATHER I MEAN MY GRANDPA, AND THEN WHEN HE PATTED ME ON THE BACK AND THE WAY HE ACTED AND THEN WHEN THEY WOULDN'T TELL ME I GOT TO THINKING THAT, ITS EITHER MY FATHER-IN-LAW OR MY GRANDPA, OR IT'S MY SON, AND I'VE ALWAYS FEARED MY SON DYING. BECAUSE HE WAS PREMATURE AND I HAVE A SISTER THAT DIED AT 6 SHE WAS PREMATURE TO, AND WHEN SHE DIED SHE DIED OF TEENAGE CHILD SYNDROME DEATH IS WHAT THE AUTOPSY SUPPOSEDLY SAID, AND IT WON'T SHOW WHAT YOU DIED FROM AND...., AND THE TEENAGE CHILD SYNDROME HAPPENS MAINLY WITH PREMATURE CHILDREN, ONCE THEY GET OUT OF THEIR TEEN YEARS THEY DON'T HAVE TO RISK THAT SO I'VE ALWAYS WORRIED THAT ONE DAY, I MIGHT GET A CALL MY SON'S DIED. SINCE THAT HAPPENED TO MY SISTER AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING DONE HAPPEN TO MY SON AND WHEN, AND WHEN THEY WOULDN'T TELL ME ANYTHING AND I CALLED MY COUSIN, I SAID SOMETHING HAPPENED TO GRANDPA AND SHE SAID NO RICK I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU THIS, SHE TOLD ME THAT.... THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SON THAT THEY YOU KNOW FOUND HIM IN A LAKE AND (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW THEY KEEP CALLING IT A LAKE AND STUFF, AND WAS, ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT A LAKE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN OF IT, IT'S JUST A DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW TO HELP DETOUR WATER YOU KNOW TO CARRY IT OFF OR WHATEVER IT DOES, CARRIES IT TO THE RIVER, BUT UH, I UH, I DIDN'T YOU KNOW... , KNOW WHAT TO THINK I HAD TO QUESTION HER TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, SHE WOULDN'T TELL ME HE WAS RAPED, I STILL DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS CASTRATED, I KNOW ONE OF THE LITTLE BOYS FROM TALKING TO MARK WAS CASTRATED AND CARVED ALL UP, HOW HE WAS CARVED, WHY HE WAS CARVED OR ANY THAT I DON'T KNOW. ALL I KNOW IS FROM WHAT MARK TOLD ME THAT MY SON'S SKULL WAS CRUSHED IN
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MCREYNOLDS - OKAY RICK I HAD TO TURN THE TAPE OVER WE ARE NOW ON THE SECOND SIDE, YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT YOUR SON'S INJURIES AT THE
MURRAY - WELL MARK, YOU KNOW MARK WAS TELLING ME I AIN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY AT THE AUTOPSY I STILL HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY WITH THE AUTOPSY'S AND HE TOLD THAT UM, HIS SKULL WAS CRUSHED IN AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING HE COULD TELL HE SAID THE BOY WHICH LIVED NEXT DOOR WAS UH CASTRATED UH, BASICALLY HE MENTIONED HE WAS ALL CARVED UP, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS SKULL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND HE TOLD ME THAT THE OTHER LITTLE BOY, THE BRANCH BOY HAD HIS BOTTLE CHAW, THE WAY HE TALKED WAS ALL BASHED IN AND HE TOLD ME HE ONLY BOY THAT WAS RAPED WAS THE BOY THAT LIVED OPPOSITE TO HIM WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HIS NAME WAS BUT HE SAID THAT LITTLE BOY WAS UM, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MOORE BOY AND THEY SAID HIS UH, YOU KNOW HAD BEING CASTRATED THAT HE SAID THAT HE GOT THE WORSE IS WHAT THEY WERE SAYING AND OTHER THAN THAT I REALLY I REALLY DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN WHAT THEY TOLD ME, YOU KNOW AND I WAS KINDA UM,
MCREYNOLDS - DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME OF THE DAY THIS WAS WHEN YOU WERE IN INFORMED THIS BY YOUR COUSIN?
MURRAY - BY MY UH, BY MY COUSIN, UH, BY MY COUSIN IT WAS PROBABLY...., PROBABLY ABOUT 7:30 CAUSE IT WASN'T DARK YET YOU KNOW
MCREYNOLDS - (INAUDIBLE)
MURRAY - RIGHT, WE HAD TO DRIVE FROM THERE, FROM WHERE YOU WE'VE AT THAT DAY TO ADMORE TRAILER PARK WHICH IS IN CLARKSVILLE
MCREYNOLDS - YEA
MURRAY - WE HAD TO DRIVE THERE AND I CALLED HER ON THE PHONE AND SHE TOLD ME AND IT WAS JUST GETTING DARK SO IT 7:30 OR 8 MAYBE A LITTLE LATER
MCREYNOLDS - (INAUDIBLE)
MURRAY - THAT WAS ON THE 6TH
MCREYNOLDS - ON THE 6TH, DID YOU LEAVE IMMEADIATELY FOR MEMPHIS OR?
MURRAY - YEA, WELL I CAME DOWN HERE AND I TALKED TO DENISE WARE, I CALLED HER THE NEXT DAY, I CALLED HER AT UM, IT WAS UM, ABOUT 3 SOMETHING, BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME IF I COULD MAKE IT TO HERE AND MEET WITH HER SHE WOULD SHE WOULD GIVE ME WRITTEN CONSENT AND ALL THAT TO GO TO MEMPHIS
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - DENISE WARE IS THE PROBATION OFFICER UP HERE
MCREYNOLDS - YOU ARE ON PROBATION UP HERE?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT FOR?
MURRAY - UH?
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT FOR?
MURRAY - FOR 3RD DEGREE BURGLARY IN SCOTTSVILLE, KY
MCREYNOLDS - SCOTTSVILLE, KY
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY
MURRAY - AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WOULD GIVE ME WRITTEN CONSENT AND EVERYTHING TO GO, SHE SAID, IF YOU DON;T HAVE TIME TO MAKE IT HERE GO AHEAD AND GO ANYWAY, THAT UM, THAT, WE'LL UH YOU KNOW SHE, THAT I NOTIFIED HER EVERY TIME IT WOULD BE ALRIGHT, BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND I GOT ARRESTED DOWN THERE, THAT IT BE BETTER IF I COME AND GOT A TRAVEL PERMIT THROUGH HER AND THEN UM, WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE FOLLOWING MORNING WHICH WAS SATURDAY MORNING AND MY, I UM, WE WERE LIKE BROKE WHEN THIS HAPPENED, YOU KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO GO, AND MY COUSIN HAD MENTIONED LOANING ME SOME MONEY, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW GAVE ME 50 BUCKS TO GO AND UH, ANY WAY MY FIANCE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS ENOUGH MONEY FOR US TO GO ON THAT SHE WANTED TO WORK ANOTHER DAY, BECAUSE SHE NEEDED TO LEAVE HER KIDS SOME MONEY, BECAUSE SEE EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW, SEE WE'LL ALL IN CONSTRUCTION, AND WINTER TIME CAME THROUGH AND UH, AND IT MADE EVERYTHING HARD ON US YOU KNOW FINANCIAL YOU KNOW WORK (INAUDIBLE) AND STUFF AND SO UM, SHE HAD BEEN WORKING OVER HERE IN JEFF WATCHING THIS ELDERLY WOMAN AND SHE TOOK A EXTRA DAY TO WORK SATURDAY INSTEAD OF LETTING ANOTHER GIRL TAKE HER PLACE AND SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME EXTRA MONEY TO LEAVE WITH THE KIDS YOU KNOW BEFORE WE WENT, AND PLUS THE FUNERAL, THEY WERE, WE WERE TOLD..., TOLD THAT THE BOYS WERE BEING FLOWN OUT TO LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS AND WOULD BE THERE FOR 3 TO 5 DAYS AND SO IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT WE WHEN WE DID LEAVE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY SUNDAY EVENING AT 6, I THINK MAYBE, OR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MONDAY, SUNDAY EVENING AT 6, YEA WE LEFT AND WE WENT DOWN THERE AND WE SPENT THE NIGHT AT MY GRANDFATHER'S AND THEN WE WENT AND TALKED MARK AND THEM AND THEY TOLD ME THEY HAD ROOMS, YOU KNOW THAT WERE HOT.... HOTEL THAT WOULD WAS FOR LIKE OUT-OF-TOWNERS AND THEY WOULD CALL UP THERE AND GET US ROOMS YOU KNOW UNTIL THE FUNERAL CAME AND WHICH THEY DID AT THE RAMADA, AND UM, THE DAY BEFORE THE FUNERAL WE LEFT THAT EVENING
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, UM, WAS YOU A RESIDENCE OF SCOTTSVILLE WHEN YOU HAD YOUR PROBLEM?
MURRAY - UM, YEAH, I WAS LIVING WITH MY MOTHER AT THE TIME
MCREYNOLDS - ALRIGHT, OKAY, UH I'M KINDA DOWN FROM THAT AREA MYSELF, SO I'VE LIVED IN ALLURING AND THORNGREEN I KINDA REMEMBER AREA PRETTY WELL, UM HAVE YOU HAD ANY MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAW BESIDES THAT?
MURRAY - UM, WHEN I WAS ALOT YOUNGER, NEVER YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR MURDER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST YOU KNOW
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF THE 3RD DEGREE BURGLARY?
MURRAY - I UM, GOT 3 YEARS PROBATION
MCREYNOLDS - 3 YEARS PROBATION.
MURRAY - SINCE I WAS LIVING IN INDIANA THEY TRANSFERRED MY LOCATION OVER HERE
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, BUT YOU WERE JUST VISITING YOUR MOM?
MURRAY - RIGHT, NO I WASN'T ACTUALLY VISITING HER, WE WERE THERE YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF WORK, THEN WHEN WE (INAUDIBLE) IT WAS DURING THE...., THE RIGHT AFTER THE GULF WAR
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - ALRIGHT, WELL WHEN YOU CONSTRUCTION, (INAUDIBLE) I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ANY BODY THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION BUT DURING THE WINTER THINGS JUST GET HARD, AS YET, AND DURING THE GULF WAR THE BUILDERS YOU KNOW WHAT WAS GOING REAL GOOD, BUT DURING THE GULF WAR IT SCARED THE BUILDERS AND SO BUILDERS, SO IF THEY HAD SOMETHING GOING THEY JUST LIKED STOPPED BECAUSE THEY YOU KNOW THEY WERE, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY DID THERE, THEY FINISHED WHAT THEY HAD GOING AND THEY STOP, SO WORK GOT REAL SLOW AND EVERYTHING YOU KNOW I WAS PAYING OUTRAGEOUS RENT AND I COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT AND WE JUST GOT WAY BEHIND AND EVERYTHING SO WE DECIDED TO MOVE DOWN HERE AND I WOULD WORK NASHVILLE, WE'LL WHEN I WAS WORKING NASHVILLE, WELL I MEAN I WAS TRYING TO FIND WORK IN NASHVILLE, I WAS GOING TO DRIVE FROM SCOTTSVILLE TO NASHVILLE TO FIND WORK BECAUSE, BUT SEE SCOTTSVILLE AND THAT SURROUNDING AREA (INAUDIBLE) THERE'S NO...., NO WHERE TO DO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT I DO. YOU KNOW UNLESS YOU WANT TO WORK FOR 3 OR 4 DOLLARS AN HOUR, YOU MIGHT GET LUCKY AND FIND SOMETHING YOU KNOW, SO I WENT TO NASHVILLE I SEARCHED THERE FOR PROBABLY OFF AND ON FOR ABOUT MONTH FOR WHEN EVER I COULD AFFORD THE GAS TO GET THERE. AND NASHVILLE WAS DEAD. AND I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW MEMPHIS I WORKED IN MEMPHIS YOU KNOW, AND ALWAYS STAYED BUSY AND ALWAYS FOUND WORK, YOU KNOW MAYBE A LITTLE SLACK IN THE WINTER AND SO UH, I WENT AND BROKE INTO THIS SHED TO GET SOME, UM, YOU KNOW TRYING TO GET SOME MONEY UP, THEY WERE THREATENING US TO REPOSSESS TERESA'S CAR AND STUFF AND I DONE THE WRONG THING AND UM, ANYWAY UH, I GOT ARRESTED FOR IT. AND I WENT TO COURT AND ANYWAY THEY GAVE ME PROBATION, AND I'VE BEEN GOING TO COURT OUT HERE
MCREYNOLDS - DID YOU HAVE TO SERVE ANY TIME FROM THE COUNTY JAIL OR ANYTHING WHILE YOU WERE WAITING TO GO TO COURT?
MURRAY - UM, PROBABLY 3 DAYS
MCREYNOLDS - 3 DAYS, OKAY, I NOTICED YOU HAVE A TATTOO ON YOUR LEFT HAND, THAT'S YOU INITIALS "RM"?
MURRAY - RIGHT..., RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - IS THAT THE ONLY ONE YOU HAVE?
MURRAY - NO I HAVE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, I DONE THIS WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD
MCREYNOLDS - WHAT IS IT HARLEY WINGS?
MURRAY - YEAH, I DONE THAT WHEN I WAS 18
MCREYNOLDS - YOU DID IT YOURSELF?
MURRAY - YEA, WITH A NEEDLE AND THREAD
MCREYNOLDS - IS THAT RIGHT?
MURRAY - UH-HUH I GOT MY EX-WIFE, WHO PUT THAT ONE
MCREYNOLDS - UH-HUH
MURRAY - AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONES I GOT, AND DON'T LIKE THEM
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, THAT'S 3 NOW THERE ONE ON YOUR UH YOUR LEFT SHOULDER THE HARLEY WINGS, WINGS AND UH YOUR LEFT HAND AND YOUR CHEST ALRIGHT OKAY UH, HOW MANY DAYS DID YOU STAY DOWN THERE UM, YOU UH, WENT DOWN ON SATURDAY THE 8TH YOU TOLD ME AT 6 P.M.
MURRAY - OH, OH NO, IT WAS SUNDAY
MCREYNOLDS - SUNDAY THE 8TH (INAUDIBLE) OKAY HOW MANY DAYS DID YOU STAY DOWN?
MURRAY - UM, LET ME SEE, I STAYED ONE I GOT THERE THAT NIGHT, I STAYED UM, WITH MY GRANDFATHER, AND WE LEFT MY GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE AND WENT TO WEST MEMPHIS LIKE I SAID I WANTED TO SEE YOU KNOW WHERE IT HAPPENED. AND UH I WENT I YOU KNOW FROM THERE SINCE ME AND MY EX-WIFE WE DON'T GET ALONG, WE HAVEN'T TALKED IN LIKE 5 YEARS, AND SO I LOOKED THEY GOT ALL 3 OF TEH BOY'S ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW IN THE PAPER SO I THOUGHT WELL I WOULD GO TALK TO ONE OF THE OTHER PARENTS INSTEAD TALKING TO MELISSA, AND I WENT OVER THERE AND I WAS TALKING TO ONE OF THEM GUYS ABOUT IT, AND I STARTED TO LEAVE AND I SAID I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO GO OVER AND TALK TO MELISSA AND MARTIN, YOU KNOW WHEN I FIRST WENT UP TO HIM I TELL HIM WE'LL HAVING PROBLEMS AND YOU KNOW I ALSO TELL HIM I WAS CHRISTOPHERYOU KNOW'S REAL FATHER AND I SAID THE REASON I COME TO SPEAK TO YOU, I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT I COULD FIND OUT ABOUT IT, AND ME AND MELISSA WE DON'T GET ALONG, AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO GO OVER THERE AND SO HE WAS REAL POLITE AND TALKED TO ME AND TOLD ME WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND I WAS GETTING READY TO LEAVE, AND I SAID WELL I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO GO TALK TO THEM OR NOT, AND HE SAID I HAD TALKED TO MARK A LITTLE WHILE EARLIER AND I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD YOU KNOW WON'T MIND YOU COMING OVER THERE THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY USE THE COMFORT YOU KNOW, AND SO I WENT OVER THERE AND TALKED TO THEM FOR ABOUT 2 HOURS AND I LEFT AND WENT BACK HOME. AND MY MOTHER HAD MADE IT IN AND UH, SO I WAS TALKING TO HER AND EVERYTHING, AND YOU KNOW WE ARE FINANCIALLY BROKE AND EVERYTHING SO WE TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN US A ROOM, YOU KNOW FOR US TO STAY AT THE RAMADA AND SO WE WERE GOING TO GO STAY AND MY MOM SHE STAYED THERE THAT NIGHT WITH MY GRANDFATHER, AND WE STAYED THERE WE GOT THERE MONDAY TUESDAY WED, WE LEFT WEDNESDAY EVENING AND CAME BACK
MCREYNOLDS - DID YOU COME BACK HOME?
MURRAY - RIGHT
MCREYNOLDS - OKAY, ALRIGHT, I AM, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING TO ASK YOU UM RICK, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW AT 11:55 A.M. ON MAY 24TH 1993 IN MY OFFICE 501 EAST COURT AVE. JEFFERSONVILLE, INDIANA.
