THIS IS JOHN FOGLEMAN DEPUTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR CRITTENDEN COUNTY, ARKANSAS. AND HERE APPEARING BE FOR ME TODAY IN THE PROSECUTOR'S INVESTIGATION OF THE HOMICIDES INVOLVING THE STATE OF ARKANSAS VS JASON BALDWIN, DAMIEN ECHOLS, AND JESSIE MISSKELLEY IS SUSAN SANDERS UM, OF 505 BALFOUR, WEST MEMPHIS IS THAT RIGHT?
S SANDERS: YES THAT'S RIGHT
FOGLEMAN: MS. SANDERS IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
S SANDERS: I DO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW IF YOU WOULD JUST, UH, STATE FOR THE RECORD YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?
S SANDERS: SUSAN SANDERS, 505 BALFOUR, WEST MEMPHIS.
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND HOW OLD ARE YOU?
S SANDERS: 35
FOGLEMAN: AND UH, AND WHO DO YOU LIVE WITH THERE AT 505 BALFOUR?
S SANDERS: MY HUSBAND, RANDY, DAUGHTER STACY, AND JENNIFER.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW OLD IS JENNIFER?
S SANDERS: JENNIFER IS 11.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW HER BIRTH DATE OFF HAND?
S SANDERS: __-__-81
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND HOW OLD IS STACY?
S SANDERS: SHE'S 18
FOGLEMAN: STACY'S 18, WHAT'S HER DATE OF BIRTH?
S SANDERS: __-__-74
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THAT'S AT 505 BALFOUR?
S SANDERS: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: AND WHERE DO YOU WORK?
S SANDERS: I DON'T, I'M LAID OFF FROM BILL'S DOLLAR STORE.
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FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR WHERE DID YOU WORK?
S SANDERS: BILL'S
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ANYWHERE ELSE?
S SANDERS: NO
FOGLEMAN: NO WHERE ELSE?
S SANDERS: UH UN (NO)
FOGLEMAN: YOUR SURE?
S SANDERS: SURE
FOGLEMAN: YOU DIDN'T WORK AT SPLASH CASINO?
S SANDERS: NO I WENT THERE THAT NIGHT, I DIDN'T WORK THERE.
FOGLEMAN: OH, I SEE, I SEE FOR PLEASURE, NOT WORK,
S SANDERS: LAUGH, LAUGH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, UM, DOES YOUR HUSBAND WORK?
S SANDERS: NO, HE'S DISABLED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DOES HE DRAW SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY?
S SANDERS: YES
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, I WANT TO DIRECT YOU ATTENTION TO UH, THE EARLY PART OF... OF MAY SPECIFICALLY UH, MAY THE 5TH, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WERE THAT NIGHT?
S SANDERS: OKAY, I KNOW, LIKE ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S MAY THE 4TH OR 5TH BUT OF THE DAYS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT? WILL ALRIGHT LETS TALK ABOUT WEDNESDAY?
S SANDERS: OKAY, THAT'S THE NIGHT I WENT TO SPLASH
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT AND WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE TO GO TO SPLASH?
S SANDERS: I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 6:45
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW UM, WHEN YOU LEFT TO GO TO SPLASH WHO WAS THERE AT YOUR HOUSE?
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S SANDERS: JENNIFER WAS AT THE HOUSE AND STACY
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHERE WAS YOUR HUSBAND DID HE GO WITH YOU?
S SANDERS: HE WENT WITH ME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT YOU LEFT ABOUT 6:45
S SANDERS: UH YEA (YES) I BELIEVE SO
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DID ANYBODY ELSE GO WITH YOU?
S SANDERS: UM UM, (YES) LETS SEE THEIR NAME IS DON AND ROSE DEWITT I BELIEVE IS THEIR LAST NAME
FOGLEMAN: DON AND ROSE DEWITT?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: WHERE DO THEY LIVE?
S SANDERS: THEY LIVE OVER ON UH, CLOVER, THEY DID HAVE THE BARGAIN DEAL
FOGLEMAN: ON CLOVER LANE RIGHT OVER HERE?
S SANDERS: UM UM
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: THE BARGAIN PLACE UP HERE ON BROADWAY THE OLD AVON THEATER
FOGLEMAN: UN YEA (YES)
S SANDERS: BUT THEY CLOSED IT DOWN
FOGLEMAN: UN YEA (YES) WILL THEY STILL LIVE OVER THERE ON CLOVER?
S SANDERS: AS FAR AS I KNOW I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM, IN A FEW WEEKS.
FOGLEMAN: DID THEY UM, LIVE IN ONE OF THE HOUSES OR DUPLEXES?
S SANDERS: DUPLEX
FOGLEMAN: LIVED IN A DUPLEX, WHO'S CAR DID YOU ALL GO IN?
S SANDERS: THEIRS
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FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHAT TIME ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU ALL ARRIVE?
S SANDERS: BACK HOME IT WAS
FOGLEMAN: WELL IN TUNICA?
S SANDERS: I THINK ITS A HOUR OR HOUR HALF DRIVE I'M NOT REAL SURE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO AROUND 9 O'CLOCK MAY, WILL LETS SEE IT COULD BE 8
S SANDERS: PROBABLY AROUND 8, I'M NOT REAL SURE IN FACT HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET UP THERE
FOGLEMAN: SEE 7, MAYBE ABOUT 8, 8:30 SOMETHING LIKE THAT
S SANDERS: WHAT EVER
FOGLEMAN: AND HOW LONG DID YOU ALL STAY?
S SANDERS: PROBABLY TILL ABOUT 2:30, 3:00 IN THE MORNING I THINK WHEN WE GOT IN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU RETURNED APPROXIMATELY
S SANDERS: 2:30 OR 3:00 IN THE MORNING
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WERE BOTH YOUR CHILDREN AT HOME WHEN YOU GOT HOME?
S SANDERS: YES
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AT WHEN WAS THE DID ANYTHING ELSE UH, HAPPEN THE NEXT DAY, OR THE DAY AFTER THAT OR THE DAY AFTER THAT, ANYTHING FOR YOU TO PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THAT DAY?
S SANDERS: I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT UH, THEY STARTED QUESTIONING DAMIEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS OR ANYTHING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WAS CLOSE TO THAT DATE NOT, I REALLY CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED QUESTIONING HIM.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT HAPPEN?
S SANDERS: WELL I DON'T KNOW THEY CALLED HIM INTO, OR THEY COME TO HIS HOUSE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW HIS MOTHER TOLD ME, THAT UH, YOU KNOW THEY CAME AND ASK QUESTIONS AND ALL
FOGLEMAN: UM YEA (YES)
S SANDERS: WHICH
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FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
S SANDERS: AS FAR AS THE DATE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CLOSE TO THAT DATE, YOU KNOW WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED TALKING TO HIM OR NOT.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT UM, DID HOW OFTEN DO YOU GO TO SPLASH?
S SANDERS: THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I WENT, THAT'S HOW COME I REMEMBER BECAUSE IT WAS ON A WEDNESDAY
FOGLEMAN: THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE BEEN?
S SANDERS: YEA
FOGLEMAN: AND YOU REMEMBER IT WAS ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT?
S SANDERS: UH UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH WEDNESDAY NIGHT?
S SANDERS: THE FIRST WEEK, YOU KNOW THE WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, OKAY WAS IT MAY OR APRIL OR?
S SANDERS: MAY
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, DID YOU'LL, EITHER OF YOUR KIDS SAY ANYTHING ABOUT UM, ABOUT THAT NIGHT?
S SANDERS: WELL THEY TOLD ME PAM, AND JOE AND MICHAEL AND MICHELLE CAME BY AND JENNIFER TOLD ME
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHO... WHO JENNIFER TOLD YOU? NOW WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU?
S SANDERS: SHE JUST TOLD ME THAT PAM AND YOU KNOW AND ALL OF THEM CAME OVER THAT NIGHT
FOGLEMAN: PAM AND WHO?
S SANDERS: PAM JONES, MICHAEL, AND MICHELLE, DAMIEN WE CALL HIM MICHAEL
FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
S SANDERS: PAM HAD LEFT ME A NOTE, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE NEXT AFTERNOON, AFTER JENNIFER CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL.
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU HAVE THAT NOTE?
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S SANDERS: NO
FOGLEMAN: WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?
S SANDERS: I THROW IT AWAY, I YOU KNOW SEE NO REASON TO KEEP IT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT DID THE NOTE SAY?
S SANDERS: IT JUST SAID THAT THEY HAD COME BY, YOU KNOW (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW YOU ALL WERE GONE TO SPLASH, SEE YOU LATER.
FOGLEMAN: AND YOUR DAUGHTER JENNIFER SAID THAT ALL FOUR OF THEM CAME BY?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: AND MY DAUGHTER STACY WAS ACROSS THE STREET AT MY SISTER'S HOUSE, AND SHE HAD SEEN THRM.
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHAT TIME DID JENNIFER SAY THEY CAME BY?
S SANDERS: SHE SAID A LITTLE BEFORE 7, SHE SAYS RIGHT AFTER I LEFT. SHE SAID A LITTLE BEFORE 7.
FOGLEMAN: AND SHE SAID ALL FOUR CAME OVER THERE?
S SANDERS: YES
FOGLEMAN: AND YOUR SURE ABOUT THAT?
S SANDERS: YES
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW DO YOU REMEMBER TALKING EARLIER TO DET. GITCHELL AND ALSO OFFICER BLAIR?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO SEE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TALKED TO OFFICER BLAIR ON THE 17TH?
S SANDERS: I'M NOT SURE, TWO PEDDLES, TWO GUYS COME TO THE HOUSE, AND I TALKED TO SOMEONE THERE, AND THEN ANOTHER DAY COME AND TOOK ME TO THE STATION, AND I TALKED TO GITCHELL.
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD OFFICER BLAIR ON THE 17TH THAT DAMIEN AND HIS MOTHER CAME BY?
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S SANDERS: I MIGHT HAVE JUST SAID DAMIEN AND HIS MOTHER I'M NOT SURE.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THEN WHEN YOU TALKED TO, UH, DET GITCHELL ON THE 24TH, SAID THAT JOE, AND PAM AND DAMIEN HAD COME BY?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WOULD HAVE LEFT OUT MICHELLE? WHEN YOU TALKED TO INSP. GITCHELL?
S SANDERS: NO, I DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD, I MEAN, I MIGHT HAVE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, NOW HAS, HOW ARE YOU ACQUAINTANCE WITH PAM HUTCHISON?
S SANDERS: WELL I HAVE KNOWN THEM FOR EVER SINCE MICHELLE WAS LITTLE BITTY BABY, AND THEN WHEN HER AND JOE DIVORCE WE DIDN'T SEE EACH OTHER FOR A WHILE
FOGLEMAN: UH UH
S SANDERS: AND SHE GOT BACK WITH JOE AND WE STARTED SEEING EACH OTHER AGAIN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHEN WAS THAT?
S SANDERS: WELL PROBABLY ABOUT MAY OR JUNE OF LAST YEAR
FOGLEMAN: UM UM (YES)
S SANDERS: I WAS (INAUDIBLE) WHEN THEY GOT BACK TOGETHER HER HUSBAND JACK YOU KNOW JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH US, BECAUSE WE KNEW THEM WHEN THEY WERE MARRIED BEFORE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW YOU SAID THAT AT SOME POINT AFTER THIS HAPPENED, I THINK YOU SAID THIS UM, THAT PAM HUTCHISON DID, OR SHE AND JOE HUTCHISON RE-MARRIED?
S SANDERS: YES
FOGLEMAN: LEGALLY?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, THAT PAM HUTCHISON CALLED YOU OR CAME BY YOUR HOUSE OR SOMETHING OR AND TOLD YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE POLICE COMING BY OR SOMETHING?
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S SANDERS: SHE HAD COME BY ONE DAY I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS, BUT SHE SAID SHE GIVE THEM MY NAME, YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE VERIFY THAT THEY WERE AT MY HOUSE THAT NIGHT, SHE SAID THEY WILL COME TALK TO YOU, AND SHE SAYS I TOLD THEM WE WERE OVER THERE THAT NIGHT, SHE GOES AND UM, YOU KNOW SO THEY WILL BE COMING BY TO TALKING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, I (INAUDIBLE) BELIEVE IT WAS GITCHELL I TOLD, YOU KNOW THAT ITS COME UP I TOLD THE OTHER OFFICER OR SOMETHING THAT SHE TOLD ME REMEMBER TO SAY IT, BUT I DID NOT, SHE YOU KNOW DID NOT, SHE JUST CAME BY
FOGLEMAN: WHEN DID THAT COME UP?
S SANDERS: THAT WAS, I BELIEVE WHEN I WAS TALKING TO HER GITCHELL'S OFFICE, I BELIVE ONE OF THE OTHER OFFICER'S I TALKED TO BEFORE THAT, HAD SAID SOMETHING AND ANOTHER THAT THERE WAS SAID THAT PAM TOLD ME TO REMEMBER TO SAY SOMETHING I SAID NO PAM DIDN'T TELL ME TO REMEMBER TO SAY ANYTHING
FOGLEMAN: OKAY... OKAY
S SANDERS: SHE JUST STATED THAT THE POLICE WOULD PROBABLY COME AND TALK TO ME SINCE SHE GIVE THEM MY NAME
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR TWO DAUGHTER'S HAVE TOLD YOU?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: AND THEY SAY IT WAS SOMETIME SHORTLY AFTER YOU THAT, AFTER YOU LEFT?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES) THEY SAID IT WAS RIGHT AFTER I LEFT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: I BELIEVE I WORKED THAT DAY AND I GOT OFF AT SIX AND I HAD TO HURRY UP AND GO HOME, YOU KNOW AND GET DRESSED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU DIDNT GET OFF UNTIL SIX?
S SANDERS: NO, I DIDN'T GET OFF TILL SIX
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: AND UM, I'M NOT EVEN REALLY READY TO GO WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN DON AND ROSE COME UP, SO I HAD TO RUSH AND GET READY
FOGLEMAN: HAS ANYBODY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT YOUR APPEARING HERE TODAY AND GIVING TESTIMONY TO ME?
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S SANDERS: NO, WILL PAM WAS AT THE HOUSE WHEN THE INVESTIGATORS, WELL NOT THE INVESTIGATORS, THE LADY COME OVER YESTERDAY, SO SHE KNOWS
FOGLEMAN: DID SHE TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT?
S SANDERS: YEA, WE GOT, YOU KNOW SHE SAID THEY HAD TO COME MORNING, AND I TOLD HER WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE UNTIL HERE TILL 1 OR 1:30
FOGLEMAN: HAVE YOU HEARD FROM HER AGAIN TODAY?
S SANDERS: NO I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS, I THINK YOU REALIZE IT, THE YOU KNOW THE IMPORTANCE UM, THAT WE GET REAL ACCURATE INFORMATION
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: UM, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHEN YOUR DAUGHTERS WHEN DID YOU DAUGHTERS TELL YOU THAT THET CAME BY?
S SANDERS: WELL, IT WAS LIKE 3, YOU KNOW LIKE THAT MORNING WHEN WE GOT IN, SO IT WAS THE NEXT DAY I HAD TO BE AT WORK AT 9, SO IT WAS THURSDAY AFTERNOON
FOGLEMAN: IT WAS THURSDAY AFTERNOON WHEN YOUR DAUGHTERS TOLD YOU?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, HOW WELL DID THEY KNOW DAMIEN?
S SANDERS: THEY KNOW HIM REAL WELL, STACY, THIS IS WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER, STACY AND DAMIEN ARE THE SAME AGE, AND THEY YOU KNOW USE TO GET ALONG REAL GOOD. AND (INAUDIBLE) THEY CAME BACK FROM OREGON, YOU KNOW HIS BEEN OVER TO THE HOUSE QUIT A BIT. AND THEY GET ALONG GOOD.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER DAMIEN HAS EVER TRIED TO INFLUENCE EITHER OF YOUR DAUGHTER'S IN HIS BELIEFS?
S SANDERS: NO NOT THAT I KNOW OF
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ARE YOU AWARE OF HIS BELIEFS?
S SANDERS: WELL I'M... I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS REALLY YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU KNOW HIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF HIS, YOU KNOW HE HAS PROBLEMS
FOGLEMAN: OF COURSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WITCHCRAFT AND THAT STUFF?
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S SANDERS: WILL I'VE NEVER, I MEAN I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT MYSELF, I MEAN YOU KNOW AS FAR AS I KNOW HE HASN'T TOLD HE KIDS
FOGLEMAN: HE HASN'T BEEN DRINKING ANY (???) OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
S SANDERS: NO
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW WHY HE WAS HOSPITALIZE IN OREGON?
S SANDERS: I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS IN OREGON
FOGLEMAN: YOU SAID YOU DID NOT KNOW HE WAS HOSPITALIZE IN OREGON?
S SANDERS: NO I THOUGHT HE, I, I JUST FIGURED HE WAS SEEING PSYCHOLOGIST OUT THERE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: BUT I KNOW BEFORE WHEN HE WAS IN ARKANSAS YOU KNOW I GUESS THEY FOUND OUT HE WAS SCHIZOPHRENIC
FOGLEMAN: WHAT HAS PAM HUTCHISON TOLD YOU ABOUT WHERE DAMIEN WAS THAT DAY?
S SANDERS: SHE SAID HE WAS WITH HER, WHILE ALL THAT AFTERNOON AND THROUGH THE NIGHT, SO TIME THAT AFTERNOON THEY DROPPED THEM OFF SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING
FOGLEMAN: LET ME TURN THIS TAPE. I'LL BE BACK ON RECORD WITH SUSAN SANDERS.
FOGLEMAN: UH, WHEN DID SHE TELL YOU THIS WHERE HE WAS?
S SANDERS: I GUESS RIGHT AFTER THEY STARTED QUESTIONING THE THEM
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HAVE UH, HAS HAVE YOU ALL BEEN SOCIALIZE SINCE?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HAS SHE DISCUSSED ANYTHING WITH YOU ABOUT IT?
S SANDERS: WELL THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, I GUESS SHE KEEPS TO HER SELF, YOU KNOW JUST CERTAIN THINGS SHE DON'T WANT YOU NOW, LIKE WHERE HE IS, WHICH SHE HASN'T TOLD US YOU NOW I DON'T ASK HER ABOUT IT, BUT WE TALK YOU KNOW WE SEE EACH SEVERAL TIME A WEEK.
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FOGLEMAN: DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR DAUGHTERS ARE UM, FEEL CLOSE ENOUGH TO DAMIEN THAT THEY MIGHT NOT TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHETHER HE WAS WITH THEM OR NOT?
S SANDERS: NO, I TOLD THEM LAST NIGHT WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE HAD TO BE UP HERE TODAY, I SAID JUST GO UP HERE AND YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU KNOW, I SAID IF YOUR NOT SURE ABOUT A DATE OR SOMETHING, DON'T LIE, YOU KNOW I SAID YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING YOU TELL THEM YOU DON'T KNOW
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I DON'T KNOW, DO THEY, DO YOU THINK THEY UNDER, WILL UNDERSTAND THAT BEING UNDER OATH, YOU KNOW THAT IF THEY DO LIE THAT IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE?
S SANDERS: I KNOW STACY KNOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S YOU KNOW AND JENNIFER SHE'S ELEVEN WHICH I'M SURE SHE DOES TO, YOU KNOW.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU UH, HAS ANYBODY TOLD YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE THAT UM, THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THAT ACTS LIKE THEY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
S SANDERS: UN UN (NO)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU WERE AT SPLASH CASINO?
S SANDERS: UM UH (YES)
FOGLEMAN: AND A NOTE WAS LEFT? BUT YOU THROW IT AWAY, THE NEXT DAY?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES) SHE LEFT THE NOTE ON MY PURSE, WHICH THE NEXT MORNING I GOT UP AND THE NOTE WASN'T IN MY PURSE, AND THEN I TALKED TO PAM I GUESS THE NEXT DAY, AND SHE SAID I LEFT A NOTE IN YOUR PURSE, WILL I DIDN'T GET IT
FOGLEMAN: HOW DID SHE LEAVE IT IN YOUR PURSE?
S SANDERS: I DON'T CARRY MY PURSE, WHEN I GO SOME WHERE LIKE THAT JUST CARRY MY CIGARETTE CASE WITH MY DRIVERS LICENSE AL IN IT.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, SO YOU ALL WERE AT SPLASH CASINO TILL ABOUT, WELL YOU RETURNED, YOU GOT HOME ABOUT 2:30, 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: AND YOU SAID, SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LEAVING A NOTE?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T GET THE NOTE?
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S SANDERS: I DIDN'T GET IT AND I ASK JENNIFER, YOU KNOW THE NEXT AFTERNOON, YOU KNOW THURSDAY AFTERNOON I SAID PAM LEAVE ME A NOTE? SHE SAID YES AND I SAID WHERE IS IT? WELL I DON'T KNOW I GOT IT OUT OF YOUR PURSE TO READ IT,
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
S SANDERS: AND THEN I FOUND IT YOU KNOW LAYING ON THE TABLE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, DID EITHER OF YOUR DAUGHTERS SAY HOW LONG THEY STAYED?
S SANDERS: I, THEY TOLD ME, I KNOW THEY TOLD ME BUT I CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER NOW
FOGLEMAN: DO YOU
S SANDERS: I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE 20 OR 30 MINUTES OR LONGER, I CAN'T REALLY REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID AND
FOGLEMAN: YOU JUST DON'T REMEMBER?
S SANDERS: UN UN (NO)
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, DID YOU UM, INSTEAD OF CARRYING YOUR PURSE, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS, WHAT DID, YOU SAID YOU CARRIED?
S SANDERS: I CARRIED MY CIGARETTE CASE AND I SET MY DRIVERS LICENSE AND SOCIAL SECURITY CARD IN IT.
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, YOU CARRY A CHECKBOOK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
S SANDERS: NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, WHEN YOU WERE AT SPLASH HOW DID YOU PAY FOR STUFF?
S SANDERS: CASH
FOGLEMAN: CASH, OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF RECEIPTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM SPLASH CASINO?
S SANDERS: NO, NOT THAT I WOULD HAVE KEPT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DID YOU ALL BUT ANY GAS FOR THE CAR?
S SANDERS: NO I BELIEVE DON, I GUESS THEY GASSED UP BEFORE WE LEFT
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FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT IT WAS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MAY?
S SANDERS: BECAUSE MY HUSBAND GETS HIS DISABILITY CHECK THE 3RD OF EACH MONTH, AND USED, YOU KNOW I THINK WE TOOK LIKE $80.00 EACH OUT OF HIS CHECK AND WENT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY YOUR RELATING IT TO THAT DATE?
S SANDERS: UM UM (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, OKAY I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS NOW. EITHER YOU OR HUSBAND EITHER ONE CAN SIT IN WHILE I TALK TO YOU DAUGHTER WHO'S UNDER 18.
S SANDERS: OKAY
FOGLEMAN: YOUR DAUGHTERS WHO'S OVER 18, SINCE SHE'S OVER 18 WILL HAVE TO BE IN HERE BY HERSELF.
S SANDERS: OKAY
FOGLEMAN: UH, WHEN YOU WHETHER STAY IN HERE FOR JENNIFER OR?
S SANDERS: YEA (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WILL IF YOUR MOVE TO THAT CHAIR RIGHT THERE.
