ALRIGHT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PROSECUTOR’S INVESTIGATION IN THE CASE OF STATE OF ARKANSAS VS. DAMIEN ECHOLS, JASON BALDWIN, AND JESSIE MISSKELLEY SEPTEMBER 2ND, 1992 (sic) THE TIME IS 2:09 P. M. PRESENT IS MYSELF AND THE WITNESS UH, STACY SANDERS. NOW STACY BEFORE I GET STARTED AND I PUT YOU UNDER OATH YOU WILL BE PUT UNDER OATH DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OATH MEANS ITS YOU OBLIGATION TO TELL THE TRUTH?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, I ASSUME YOU UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CERTAIN PENALTIES IF YOU DON’T TELL THE TRUTH?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND A QUESTION I ASK YOU, YOU ASK ME TO CORRECT, OR TO CLEAR IT UP, OR TO RE-STATE MY QUESTION, OKAY?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, IF YOU DON’T HEAR A QUESTION I ASK LET ME KNOW OKAY?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: IF YOUR NOT SURE ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME THAT TO OKAY SO WE CAN HAVE AS ACCURATE INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE OKAY?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: UH, THIS IS BEING TAPE RECORDED SO YOUR NEED TO SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT OKAY?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOUR ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
STACY: YES
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, YOU NEED TO SPEAKS UP SOME. WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE ?
STACY: STACY SANDERS
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND STACY WHERE DO YOU LIVE?
STACY: 505 BALFOUR
FOGLEMAN: AND WHO DO YOU LIVE THERE WITH?
STACY: MY PARENTS
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED THERE AT 505 BALFOUR?
STACY: A COUPLE OF YEARS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH, WHO ELSE LIVES IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU AND YOUR PARENTS?
STACY: UM, MY LITTLE SISTER JENNIFER
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND JENNIFER UH 11 YEARS OLD
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I’M I WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A TIME WHEN THE HUTCHISON’S AND DAMIEN ECHOLS APPARENTLY CAME OVER TO YOUR HOUSE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS?
STACY: UM, THE WEDNESDAY, IT WAS WEDNESDAY I’M NOT FOR SURE ABOUT THE DATE, I JUST KNOW IT WAS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MAY
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHY... WHY DO YOU REMEMBER IT WAS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MAY?
STACY: BECAUSE IT WAS THE WEDNESDAY THAT MY PARENTS WENT TO SPLASH, WITH SOME FRIENDS OF THEIRS AND IT WAS 90210 WAS ON AND IT HAD, I THINK THE PROM OF 90210
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, NOW ALRIGHT YOU SAID YOU REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE OF A VARIETY OF THINGS INCLUDING THAT WAS WEDNESDAY THAT YOUR PARENTS WENT TO SPLASH?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHY WOULD THAT HELP YOU TO REMEMBER IT?
STACY: UM, BECAUSE I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS TWO DAYS LATER THEY WENT AGAIN AND THAT’S WHEN DAMIEN GOT ARRESTED, I THINK THAT WAS THEN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, THE TIME YOUR TALKING ABOUT IS 2 DAYS BEFORE DAMIEN GOT ARRESTED?
STACY: I THINK IT WAS
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, ALRIGHT, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED?
STACY: NO WHAT A MINUTE
FOGLEMAN: GO AHEAD IF SOMETHING WRONG, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT IT
STACY: I’M NOT FOR SURE IT WAS 2 DAYS BEFORE HE GOT ARRESTED OR NOT, I JUST REMEMBER IT WAS A WEDNESDAY WHEN HE CAME OVER, AND HE GOT ARRESTED ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, BECAUSE THEY WENT TO SPLASH AGAIN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
STACY: WITH HIS PARENTS
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHEN HE UM, WHEN THIS OCCURRED YOU SAID IT WAS A WEDNESDAY, OKAY 2 DAYS LATER WOULD HAVE BEEN FRIDAY?
STACY: FRIDAY
FOGLEMAN: IS THAT WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT?
STACY: I’M TALKING ABOUT THE WEDNESDAY THAT THEY CAME OVER
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND I’M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WEDNESDAY THAT WAS?
STACY: ALRIGHT, WEDNESDAY, I KNOW IT WAS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MAY, BECAUSE MY PARENTS WENT TO SPLASH
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND THEN EARLIER YOU SAID THAT 2 DAYS LATER YOUR PARENTS WENT AGAIN DID THEY NOT?
STACY: I’M NOT FOR SURE IF THAT’S WHEN THEY WENT OR NOT, 2 DAYS LATER
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT WILL, I’M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN MY OWN MIND HOW YOU WOULD REMEMBER THAT PARTICULAR AND VISIT?
STACY: I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS ACROSS THE STREET AT MY COUSIN’S WATCHING TV AND 90210 WAS FIXING TO COME ON
FOGLEMAN: OKAY,
STACY: IT WAS A SPECIAL SHOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST SHOWS OF IT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND IT WAS GETTING READY TO COME ON?
STACY: UH-HUH (YES)
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT TIME DOES THAT SHOW COME ON?
STACY: IT COMES ON AT 7 O’CLOCK
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOUR, YOU WON’T AT HOME?
STACY: NO SIR, I WAS ACROSS THE STREET
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHERE WERE YOU, AND WHO’S HOUSE IS THAT?
STACY: UM, IT’S MY COUSIN’S MEREDITH MCKAY’S
FOGLEMAN: HOW OLD IS SHE?
STACY: SHE’S 19
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND UH, YOU WERE THERE WATCHING TV WITH HER?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND WHEN DID UM, THESE PEOPLE COME OVER TO YOUR HOUSE?
STACY: UM, IT WAS AROUND 7 O’CLOCK BECAUSE THAT’S THE REASON WHY I DIDN’T GO ACROSS THE STREET TO MY HOUSE BECAUSE THE SHOW WAS FIXING TO COME ON
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, ALRIGHT, HOW DOD YOU KNOW THAT THEY WERE THERE?
STACY: BECAUSE MY COUSIN MEREDITH SAID PAM AND JOE’S AT YOUR HOUSE, AND I LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS BIG GLASS WINDOW AND
FOGLEMAN: UH-HUH (YES)
STACY: AND I LOOK OUT AND I SEEN THEM
FOGLEMAN: WHO DID YOU SEE?
STACY: I REMEMBER SEEING PAM AND JOE AND MICHAEL WHICH IS DAMIEN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHAT DO YOU ALL CALL HIM?
STACY: I CALL HIM, MICHAEL
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WHY DO YOU CALL HIM THAT?
STACY: BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE LITTLE THAT’S WHAT HIS NAME WAS BEFORE HE HAD IT CHANGED
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE HAD IT CHANGED?
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: YOU DON’T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS HERE OR SOME WHERE ELSE?
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UM, THEN YOUR MEREDITH MCKAY
STACY: MY COUSIN
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, SAID HAY IT’S JOE AND PAM?
STACY: UM-HUH (YES)
FOGLEMAN: AND YOU LOOKED OUT AND TELL ME WHO, AGAIN WHO YOU SAW?
STACY: I SEEN PAM AND JOE AND MICHAEL
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND UM, WERE THEY ALREADY OUT OF THE CAR WHEN YOU LOOKED OUT?
STACY: THEY WERE WALKING IN THE DOOR
FOGLEMAN: THEY WERE WALKING IN THE DOOR, OKAY, WHO WAS IN FRONT AND BEHIND, DO YOU REMEMBER THE ORDER OF THEM?
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY LEFT? HOW LONG THEY STAYED?
STACY: NO, I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT WAS, I’M, I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT WAS
FOGLEMAN: WAS THE SHOW STILL ON?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, SO
STACY: IT WAS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF IT
FOGLEMAN: ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW THEY LEFT, OKAY HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?
STACY: BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING, WHERE IT WAS GETTING GOOD AND CAUSE IT’S USUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT SO IT WAS AROUND THE MIDDLE OF IT
FOGLEMAN: WILL I MEAN, WERE YOU CONSTANTLY LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW TO SEE?
STACY: YEA, I LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW TO SEE IF THEY WERE STILL THERE
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WHY DID YOU DO THAT?
STACY: I WAS JUST SEEING IF THEY WERE STILL THERE I FIGURED ONE OF THEM WOULD COME OVER GET ME BUT THEY DIDN’T TALK TO ME, I FIGURED, OR DIDN’T FIGURE HER DAUGHTER WOULD GO IN, BUT I FIGURED IF SHE WAS THERE SHE WOULD COME OVER AND TALK TO ME
FOGLEMAN: BUT SHE DIDN’T
STACY: NO
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, UH DID YOU SEE THEM LEAVE?
STACY: I SEEN THEM GETTING IN THE CAR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AND WHO DID YOU SEE GET IN THE CAR?
STACY: I JUST, I SEEN PAM AND JOE AND DAMIEN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY
STACY: AND THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE WITH THEM BUT I COULDN’T TELL WHO IT WAS
FOGLEMAN: WHERE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE WITH THEM?
STACY: THERE WAS 4 PEOPLE, BUT I JUST SEEN 3 GETTING INTO THE CAR, THERE WAS ONE IN THERE
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, NOW YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU SAW 3 GO IN AND YOU SAW 3 GETTING IN THE CAR, WHERE DOES THE 4TH ONE GET IN?
STACY: THEY WERE GOING, THEY WERE GOING IN, SO SOMEBODY ELSE COULD BEEN IN FRONT AND ALREADY WENT IN WHEN I LOOKED UP AND SEEN THEM
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, BUT WHERE DOES THE 4TH, ON THE WAY OUT, I MEAN HOW DO YOU SEE THE 4TH ONE?
STACY: I JUST SEEN SOMEBODY’S HEAD
FOGLEMAN: WHERE?
STACY: IN THE CAR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, IN AND YOU SAY IT WAS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, AND YOU SAW THIS FROM ACROSS THE STREET?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, NOW HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN DAMIEN?
STACY: NEAR, ITS BEEN UM, I SAY, EVER SINCE ABOUT 4 SO IT’S BEEN, I DON’T KNOW, ITS BEEN YEARS, EVER SINCE I CAN REMEMBER SINCE WE’VE BEEN LITTLE
FOGLEMAN: HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU LIVED TOGETHER IN TUPELO?
STACY: ABOUT 7 OR 8, BEFORE THEN
FOGLEMAN: AGAIN, AND YOU ALL LIVED TOGETHER ABOUT HOW LONG?
STACY: A LONG TIME, WE WAS LOTS OF TIME WE MOVED (?) SOME WHERE TOGETHER WE JUST MOVE IN TOGETHER SO
FOGLEMAN: SO YOU ALL ARE PRETTY CLOSE THEN?
STACY: YEA
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, AS OF DAMIEN EVER TALKED TO YOU ABOUT HIS BELIEFS?
STACY: NO
FOGLEMAN: HE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT HIS WITCHCRAFT BELIEFS AND ALL THAT?
STACY: HE MIGHT MAKE COMMENTS AND STUFF BUT HE’S NEVER REALLY, WE’VE NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT
FOGLEMAN: YOU ALL HAVE NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS?
STACY: I REMEMBER I WENT AND I, YOU KNOW LIKE AT THE FLEA MARKET AND STUFF THEY HAVE THOSE PHYSIC PEOPLE
FOGLEMAN: UM-HUH (YES)
STACY: YOU KNOW YOU TALK TO, I WENT AND I TALKED TO ONE OF THEM UP THERE AND SHE WAS TELLING ME HOW MANY KIDS I WAS GOING HAVE AND STUFF, AND THEN WHEN I LEFT, I WAS TELLING MY PARENTS ABOUT AND STUFF, DAMIEN AND HIS GIRLFRIEND DOMINI WAS SAYING SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE AS MANY KIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WERE SAYING THAT, BUT THAT’S ALL THAT’S EVER CAME UP ABOUT THOSE
FOGLEMAN: HE’S NEVER TOLD YOU ANY OF THIS STUFF
STACY: NO
FOGLEMAN: WERE YOU AWARE THAT HE HAD, THAT HE BELIEVED IN WITCHCRAFT?
STACY: YEA
FOGLEMAN: HOW WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT?
STACY: FROM MY PARENTS TALKING , AND HIS PARENTS TALKING ABOUT IT
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, WERE YOU AWARE THAT HE SAID HE WAS NOT ONLY WHITE WITCH, BUT ALSO PARTICIPATE ON THE DARK SIDE.
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: HE DID NOT, YOU WEREN’T AWARE OF THAT?
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: SO YOU NEVER HEARD YOUR PARENTS ABOUT THAT?
STACY: NO SIR
FOGLEMAN: ALRIGHT, UM, HOW, WHEN DID YOUR PARENTS (START?) GOING TO SPLASH CASINO? HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN GOING?
STACY: GEE THE FIRST TIME THEY EVER WENT WAS THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW ABOUT SINCE THEN?
STACY: SINCE THEN, THEY’VE GONE WITH PAM AND THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, HOW OFTEN DURING THE WEEK?
STACY: OH, THEY DON’T GO THAT OFTEN, I KNOW ONE WEEK THEY WENT TWICE, BUT THEY DON’T GO VERY OFTEN
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, WILL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ONCE A MONTH, ONCE WEEK, ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS?
STACY: IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY HAVE SOME EXTRA MONEY AND THEY WANT TO GO, I MEAN, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE, SOME MONTHS THEY HAVE EXTRA MONEY AND SOMETIMES THEY DON’T
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, BUT IT’S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT UH, WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THEY HAD EVER BEEN?
STACY: YES SIR
FOGLEMAN: OKAY, I DON’T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. YOU CAN ALL GO.
STACY: ALRIGHT THANK YOU
FOGLEMAN: YOUR WELCOME, YOU CAN TELL YOUR MOM, SISTER AND DAD.
