STATEMENT FROM VICTORIA HUTCHESON


THIS IS DET. BRYN RIDGE OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY IN THE DRUG TASK FORCE OFFICES OF THE WEST MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WITH LT. DET. LT. JAMES SUDBURY AND VICTORIA HUTCHESON. THEY CALL YOU VICKIE IS THAT RIGHT?

VICKIE: YES SIR

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING AN TRIPLE HOMICIDE OF THE THREE BOYS THAT OCCURRED ON 05-05-93. TODAYíS DATE IS 5-28-OF 93, AND THE TIME IS 11:07 A.M. UH, VICKIE IF YOU WOULD JUST START WITH UH, FIRST A DESCRIPTION OF YOUR SELF AND WHERE YOU LIVE?

VICKIE: I LIVE AT ROUTE 2 BOX 103. MARION, ARKANSAS AND IíM 5í10Ē AND I WEIGH 130 POUNDS, RED HAIR AND GREEN EYES.

RIDGE: AND WHAT IS YOUR BIRTH DATE?

VICKIE: (MARKED OUT) Ė63

RIDGE: DO YOU HAVE A VEHICLE OF YOUR OWN?

VICKIE: YES I DO

RIDGE: WHAT KIND?

VICKIE: 77 TOYOTA PICK UP BLUE

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, ON JANUARY OF THIS YEAR WHERE WERE YOU LIVING?

VICKIE: I WAS LIVING AT 1502 EAST BARTON, IN WEST MEMPHIS

RIDGE: OKAY, AND YOU HAVE A SON?

VICKIE: YES I DO.

RIDGE: HIS NAME?

VICKIE: AARON KYLE HUTCHISON

RIDGE: ANY OTHER CHILDREN?

VICKIE: I HAVE ANOTHER SON THAT IS TEN, AND HIS NAME IS DAVID SCOTT HUTCHISON

RIDGE: OKAY, AND THEY LIVE WITH YOU?

VICKIE: AARON DOES LIVE WITH ME. SCOTT WENT WITH HIS FATHER IN FAYETTEVILLE FOR THE SUMMER

RIDGE: UM, NOW PROGRESSING UP UNTIL AROUND THE FIRST PART OF MAY UM, LETíS GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER TILL THE FIRST PARTY OF APRIL. WHO ARE AARONíS WHAT I WOULD CALL BEST FRIENDS?

VICKIE: AARON RAN AROUND WITH TWO LITTLE BOYS MICHAEL MOORE AND CHRISTOPHER BYERS AND THOSE WERE HIS ONLY FRIENDS. THE ONLY TWO HE DID RAN WITH.

RIDGE: OKAY, NOW ON THE 5TH YOU PICKED UP AARON FROM SCHOOL THAT DAY?

VICKIE: YES I DID

RIDGE: AND TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY?

VICKIE: I WAS WAITING IN WHERE THE TEACHERS PARK ON THE SIDE OF WEAVER ELEMENTARY, AND WATCHING FOR AARON. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 15 AFTER 3, AND MICHAEL MOORE CAME TO ONE SIDE OF MY TRUCK AND CHRISTOPHER BYERS TO THE OTHER AND AARON YOU KNOW CLOSE TO THEM AND THEY HAD, AND THEY WERE TELLING ME MS. VICKIE THEREíS A CUB SCOUT THING TONIGHT, AND AARONíS NEEDS TO GO, AND MICHAELíS FATHER IS THEIR TROOP LEADER AND UM, YOU KNOW, UM MICHAEL WAS REALLY INCESSANT UPON AARON GOING, AND UH, THEY JUST KEPT SAYING THEREíS A CUB SCOUT THING. MS. VICKIE THEY, HE HAS TO GO, HE HAS TO GO. AND I SAID NO THIS IS WEDNESDAY NIGHT. CUB SCOUTS ARE TOMORROW THURSDAY NIGHT AND THEY JUST KEPT ON. FINALLY YOU KNOW, THEY GOT IT THROUGH HE WASNíT GOING TO GO, BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO GO AND PLAY, AND UM, HE SAID WELL THEN CAN AARON JUST COME TO MY HOUSE, AND YOU CAN PICK HIM UP IN TWO HOURS. WHICH I HAD DONE FREQUENTLY SO HE HAD ASSUMED I WOULD DO IT THEN, AND I JUST SAID NO BECAUSE I HAD SOME ERRAND TO RAN. AARON DID NOT GO.

RIDGE: OKAY, WHERE DIDYOU GO FROM THERE?

VICKIE: I WENT HOME

RIDGE: OKAY, AND TOOK AARON HOME WITH YOU?

VICKIE: UM UM, YES I DID

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, DID YOU GO ANYWHERE ELSE AFTER THAT?

VICKIE: I BELIEVE I WENT TO THE GROCERY STORE AND

RIDGE: ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE?

VICKIE: PROBABLY ABOUT 5:30 OR SO, AND THEN WHILE I WAS IN WEST MEMPHIS I STOPPED AND GOT SOMETHING TO EAT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF

RIDGE: WAS AARON WITH YOU WHEN YOU WENT TO THE GROCERY STORE?

VICKIE: YES HE WAS

RIDGE: HE WAS NEVER ALONE

VICKIE: NEVER

RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GET HOME?

VICKIE: PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT OR SO

RIDGE: OKAY, DID YOU GO ANY WHERE ELSE THAT NIGHT?

VICKIE: NO, BECAUSE MY, A FRIEND OF MINE HAD, WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING SURGERY AND I TALKED WITH HER ON THE PHONE BEFORE

RIDGE: DID YOU HAVE ANY VISITORíS?

VICKIE: I DONíT THINK SO

RIDGE: OKAY, ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO BED?

VICKIE: I USUALLY GO TO BED ABOUT 12:30

RIDGE: WHAT TIME DOES AARON GO TO BED?

VICKIE: AARON GOES ABOUT AT NINE

RIDGE: OKAY, AND THE NEXT MORNING NOW WHAT OCCURS?

VICKIE: THE NEXT MORNING WE HAD GOTTEN UP LATE, MY ALARM DIDNíT GO OFF SO WE WERE RUNNING BEHIND UM, I TOOK AARON TO SCHOOL, AND HE WAS LATE FOR SCHOOL, I DROPPED HIM OFF AND WENT, I DID NOT GO IN THE SCHOOL.

RIDGE: WHAT TIME WAS IT?

VICKIE: I GUESS, I THINK SCHOOL STARTS AT 8:15 THE BELL RINGS SO, HE WAS ABOUT 10 MINUTES LATE.

RIDGE: OKAY, CLOSE TO 8:30

VICKIE: CLOSE TO 8:30 IT WAS. YOU KNOW HE WAS RUNNING LATE

RIDGE: OKAY

VICKIE: AND UM, I WROTE HIM A NOTE, I HAD WROTE HIM A NOTE BECAUSE I HAD A JOB INTERVIEW TO GO TO, AND I NEEDED TO GO SO I DIDNíT GO IN TO TELL THEM ABOUT HIS TARDINESS.

RIDGE: OKAY

VICKIE: UM, I WENT HOME AND I WAS GOING TO GET READY FOR MY INTERVIEW. I TURNED THE TV ON, AND FOUND OUT YOU KNOW THAT THE BOYS WERE MISSING. AND RHONDA WHO WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAD HEARD. SHE USE TO BABYSIT FOR ME, SO SHE DOES KNOW MICHAEL AND CHRIS AND SHE CALLED TO ASK ME IF THIS WAS THEIR LAST NAMES. AND I TOLD HER YEA, SO I IMMEDIATELY WENT UP TO THE SCHOOL.

RIDGE: OKAY

VICKIE: SO WHEN I GOT TO THE SCHOOL I TALKED TO MRS. KIRKLAND AND MS. WARREN, THE PRINCIPAL, AND THE COUNSELOR. AND UM, THEY TOLD ME YOU KNOW THIS WAS TRUE THAT THEY HAD BEEN MISSING SINCE 6 OíCLOCK, SO THEN I WAS SCARED

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, WHAT TIME WAS THAT CONVERSATION?

VICKIE: UM, ABOUT 9:30 OR 10:00

RIDGE: DID AARON STAY IN SCHOOL THE REST OF THE DAY?

VICKIE: HE STAYED. NO, UM I WENT DOWN TO THE MOOREíS HOUSE TO SEE TODD AND DANA MOORE AND YOU KNOW JUST TO SEE YOU KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND UM, TODD ASKED ME VICKIE DO YOU THINK MAYBE AARON KNOWS WHERE THEIR AT? AND I SAID I DONíT KNOW IíLL BE GLAD TO GO GET HIM IF YOU THINK IT WILL HELP, IF YOU TALK TO HIM, AND HE SAID I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UM, AND I WENT UP AND TALKED TO MS. MOORE AND SHE GOT AARON OUT OF CLASS. I TOOK AARON TO TODD AND DANAíS HOUSE AND UM, TODD ASKED AARON IF HE MIGHT KNOW DID CHRIS OR MICHAEL SAY ANYTHING TO HIM, TO THE EFFECT WHERE THEY MIGHT BE. HE SAID NO, THERE, YOU KNOW YOU CAN TELL WHEN YOUR CHILD IS LYING AND IT WAS LIKE HE KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP. AND UH, HE SAID AFTER WE HAD LEFT THE MOOREíS COMING OUT OF THEIR DOOR HE TOLD ME MAMA LETíS GO TO THE CLUB HOUSE. WE NEED TO GO TO THE CLUB HOUSE.

RIDGE: OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE CLUB HOUSE WAS?

VICKIE: YES I DO.

RIDGE: HAVE YOU BEEN THERE BEFORE?

VICKIE: YESÖYES I HAVE

RIDGE: AND WHEN WERE YOU THERE BEFORE?

VICKIE: ANY TIME MY CHILD DIDNíT COME HOME ON TIME THATíS WHERE I WOULD LOOK FOR HIM

RIDGE: OKAY, YOU HAD BEEN THERE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS? YOUíVE SEEN THE CLUB HOUSE

VICKIE: UH-HUH (YES) I HAVE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, AND HEíS BEEN FOUND THERE BY YOU SEVERAL TIMES?

VICKIE: YES

RIDGE: OKAY

SUDBURY: DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU WERE THERE THAT YOU SAW IT?

VICKIE: UM, IT WOULD BE RIGHT BEFORE WE MOVED WE MOVED ON THE 19TH OF APRIL

SUDBURY: IT WAS STILL INTACT

VICKIE: IT WAS FINE, OKAY

RIDGE: WHAT DID THE CLUB HOUSE CONSIST OF?

VICKIE: UM, JUST SOME BOARDS, LOOKED LIKE SOME ONE HAD LIKE MADE A DEER STAND, A LONG TIME AGO OR SOMETHING AND JUST SOME BOARDS AND THEY KINDA HAD YOU KNOW LIKE A FORT

RIDGE: OKAY, AND WERE THEY NAILED ONTO THE TREE OR COULD YOU TELL THAT?

VICKIE: I REALLY COULDNíT TELL THAT. UNLESS YOU KNOW NOT GETTING UP THERE AND LOOKING AT IT ALL. YEA IT WAS BUT, I WOULD THINK SO, IN ORDER TO HOLD ALL 3 LITTLE 8 YEAR OLDS THAT IT WAS PRETTY STURDY

RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT, SO YOU WENT TO THE CLUB HOUSE THAT DAY?

VICKIE: NO, I ATTEMPTED TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE. BY THIS TIME IT HAD GOTTEN I DID STAY AND VISIT WITH TODD AND DIANE

RIDGE: ABOUT TIME WAS IT YOU WENT TO TRY AND GO TO THE CLUB HOUSE?

VICKIE: IN MIDDLE AFTERNOON

RIDGE: OKAY, AND WHAT DID YOU FIND WHEN YOU CAME TO THE AREA?

VICKIE: UM, WEST MEMPHIS POLICE HAD ALL OF THE AREA ROPED OFF

RIDGE: OKAY

VICKIE: I WENT TO THE DEAD END IT WAS YOU KNOW

RIDGE: DEAD END?

VICKIE: IT WAS COPS

RIDGE: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEAD ON?

VICKIE: THE DEAD END ON MCAULEY

RIDGE: ON MCAULEY BY

VICKIE: BY THE APARTMENTS

RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT. SO WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?

VICKIE: SO THEN UM, IÖI JUST GOT AARON OUT OF THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW. CHRISTY, I WAS TALKING TO A GIRL NAMED CHRISTY AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE THOUGHT THEY HAD FOUND ONE OF THE BODIES. SO THIS FRIGHTENED ME, SO I GOT AARON OUT OF THERE AND WE WENT HOME.

RIDGE: OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH AARON IN SCHOOL IS THERE SOME PROBLEMS GOING ON NOW IN SCHOOL?

VICKIE: HE DOESNíT WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL. UM, THESE WERE HIS BEST FRIENDS./////CHRIS AND HE WERE IN THE SAME CLASSROOM AND UM, THEY BOTH HAD A.D.D. WHICH WAS A ATTENTION EPISODE DISORDER AND ON MEDICATION. SO THEY WERE LIKE YOU KNOW LIKE TOOK THEIR MEDICINE TOGETHER AND DID EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW IíM SURE HEíS JUST HEART BROKEN. HE WONíT LEARN ANYTHING

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. AND YOU WENT TO ONE OF THE FUNERALS. WHICH FUNERAL DID YOU GO TO?

VICKIE: I WENT TO BOTH FUNERALS. CHRIS AND MIKEíS

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. AT ONE OF THESE FUNERALS YOU WERE APPROACH BY?

VICKIE: A COMMERCIAL APPEAL REPORTER

RIDGE: OKAY. UM, AT THIS POINT IN YOUR MIND WHAT DID YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO?

VICKIE: I DECIDED THAT, THAT IT WAS CONSTANTLY ON TV, OR CONSTANTLY IN THE PAPER, CONSTANTLY SOMEBODY WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I DECIDED THAT MY SON WOULD BE BETTER OFF AWAY UNTIL IT COOLS DOWN. AND I SENT HIM TO MY SISTERS HOUSE IN FORT SMITH, ARKANSAS.

RIDGE: WHO IS YOUR SISTER?

VICKIE: DANA BAUGHERLY

RIDGE: DANA BAUGHERLY. SHE GOT A PHONE NUMBER?

VICKIE: YES, SHE DOES

RIDGE: CAN YOU TELL IT TO ME, OR DO YOU KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD?

VICKIE: 484- (MARKED OUT)

RIDGE: OKAY, UM, HOW LONG DID HE STAY THERE?

VICKIE: UH, ABOUT 8 DAYS

RIDGE: DURING THESE 8 DAYS HEíS GONE A, YOU BEGAN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE?

VICKIE: A LITTLE JESSIE, JESSIE MISSKELLEY, LIVES DOWN THE STREET FROM ME AND YOU KNOW THAT I WAS REALLY CLOSE TO HIM ANY WAY YA KNOW BECAUSE HE WAS ALWAYS AROUND HE DOESNíT GO TO SCHOOL OR ANYTHING HE LIKE HELP YOU MOW THE LAWN AND STUFF AND IíD GOTTENN REALLY CLOSE WITH HIM HE MADE MENTION AFTER A THIS CAME OUT THAT UM HE HAD SAW CHRIS BYERS OVER BY THE BEACON THAT MORNING ON THE MORNING THAT YOU KNOW THEY WERE FOUND AND THAT CHRIS WAS IN A PINK SHIRT AND EVEN PICKED HIM OUT IN THE PAPER TO ME AN AH THAT WAS ODD FOR HIM TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO A YOU KNOW I JUST KEEP TALKING WITH JESSIE CAUSE AH JESSIEíS I MEANS NOT A BAD KID BUT YOU KNOW YOU DONíT KNOW WHO PEOPLE KNOW SO I JUST KEPT TALKING TO JESSIE ABOUT STUFF AND JESSIE TOLD ME ABOUT A FRIEND OF HIS NAMED DAMIEN AND THIS FRIEND DRANK BLOOD AND STUFF HE JUST KEPT GOING ON AND ON ON ABOUT HOW WEIRD HE WAS AND STUFF SO BY THE WAY YOU KNOW THE STUFF THAT WE KNEW THE PUBLIC KNEW THAT WAS COMING OUT IN THE PAPER AND STUFF I JUST THOUGHT HOW THEY WERE KILLED WAS ODD BUT YOU KNOW MAYBE IT WAS LIKE A DEVIL WORSHIPPING THING OR YOU KNOW SOMETHING JUST HIT ME THAT MIGHT BE IT AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS KID DOING THIS YOU KNOW MAYBE HE KNEW SOMETHING OR

RIDGE: UM HUM,

VICKIE: OR MAYBE JESSIE KNEW SOMETHING SO UM JESSIE HAD TOLD ME THAT DAMIEN HANG OUT AT LAKESHORE AND SO I WENT OUT OF MY WAY YOU KNOW TO TO TRY TO GO AROUND LAKESHORE AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE AROUND THERE AND I TOLD JESSIE I HAD SEEN DAMIEN AND HE ASKED ME? HOW DID I KNOW THAT IT WAS DAMIEN? AND I SAID THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BOY ADAM WHOíS A FRIEND OF MINEíS LITTLE BOY WHICH HEíS ABOUT THEIR AGE AND HE HAD POINTED OUT POINTED HIM OUT TO ME AND HE SAID HE SAID WELL YOU KNOW HEíS KINDA WEIRD I SAID NO I THINK HEíS HOT I REALLY WANT TO GO OUT WITH HIM CAN YOU FIX ME UP WITH HIM AND YOU KNOW HE WAS REAL SURPRISED BUT HE SAID YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT WITH HIM IíL FIX YOU UP WITH HIM. AND HE DID.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT YOU MEET DAMIEN

VICKIE: YES

RIDGE: YOU KNOW DAMIENíS FULL NAME?

VICKIE: DAMIEN STATED TO ME THAT HIS FULL NAME WAS MICHAEL DAMIEN WAYNE ECHOLS.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND WHERE DID YOU GO WITH HIM?

VICKIE: HE CAME TO MY HOUSE, THE VERY FIRST TIME I MET HIM.

RIDGE: OKAY, AND WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATION DID YOU HAVE WITH HIM?

VICKIE: WE TALKED ABOUT UM LOTS OF DIFFERENT STUFF HEíS NOT REAL REAL TALKATIVE. YOU YOU KINDA HAVE TO PULL THINGS OUT OF HIM BUT HE AH KEPT TELLING ME ABOUT THE BOYS MURDERS AND HOW HE HAD BEEN HE NEVER SAID QUESTIONED HE ALWAYS SAID THAT I WAS ACCUSED FOR 8 HOURS I WAS ACCUSED OF KILLING THOSE 3 LITTLE BOYS AND I SAID YOU KNOW I JUST ACTED LIKE IT WAS NO BIG DEAL BUT I DIDNíT EVEN KNOW WHAT

RIDGE: UM HUM.

VICKIE: AND I SAID WELL YOU KNOW WHY WOULD THEY PICK YOU IN WEST MEMPHIS YOU KNOW THERE ARE BOOKOOíS OF PEOPLE WHY WOULD THEY JUST PICK YOU OUT. AND HE JUST LOOKED AT ME I MEAN JUST REALLY WEIRD. AND SAID BECAUSE IíM EVIL.

RIDGE: EVIL?

VICKIE: EVIL. E-V-I-L,

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. DID HE DENY TO YOU THAT HE KILLED THE BOYS?

VICKIE: NO HE DIDNíT.

RIDGE: DID HE ADMIT TO IT?

VICKIE: NO HE DIDNíT.

RIDGE: OKAY, ALRIGHT, SO THE RELATIONSHIP CONTINUED.

VICKIE: YES

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. AND WHAT HAPPENED?

VICKIE: HE CALLED ME UM HE TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME AGAIN AND STUFF LIKE THIS AND AH I SAID OKAY SO YOU KNOW HE JUST KEPT COMING OVER AND HE NEVER REALLY UM GAVE ME TIMES OR WHEN IíM COMING BUT HE WOULD JUST DROP IN.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND AH IN THE MEAN TIME COMMUNICATING WITH OFFICER BRAY I HAD GOTTEN SOME SATANIC BOOKS AND WITCH CRAFT BOOKS AND ALL THIS AND WE WERE SITTING ON MY COUCH AND I HAD LAID THEM OUT WHERE HE COULD SEE THEM RIGHT CLOSE TO MY TABLE HE SAID, YOU KNOW HE PICKED ONE UP, AND ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DOING. I GOT OUT A COSMOPOLITAN, AND IN THE BACK THERE US A WICKA THING THAT YOU WRITE TO, AND YOU CAN BECOME A WITCH OR GO TO WITCH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYWAY I TOLD HIM NOT TO WORRY YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT IíM WANTING TO BE AND HE JUST LOOKED AT ME REALLY WEIRD AND HE SAID YOU DONíT HAVE TO GO LIKE THAT YOU DONíT HAVE TO GO THERE TO DO THAT.

RIDGE: DID HE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HE COULD DO FOR YOU FOR THAT OR?

VICKIE: NO. IT WOULD ALL COME IN TIME IS WHAT HE SAID ITíLL HAPPEN IN TIME.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO WHATíS THE NEXT THING THAT REALLY HAPPENED?

VICKIE: THE NEXT DAY AFTER HE FINDS OUT THAT IíM WANTING TO GO DO THIS HE TOLD ME AND ASKED ME DID I WANT TO GO TO ESBAT. I DIDNíT KNOW WHAT ESBAT WAS I LOOKED IT UP IN THE BOOK AND FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS A MEETING AND I THOUGHT IMMEDIATELY YEAH THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO GO I WANT TO SEE WHATíS GOING ON.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: THEN HE TOOK ME, HE PICKED ME UP AND HE TOOK ME IN A RED ESCORT HE DROVE US TO TURRELL, AND AH

RIDGE: HE DROVE US. JUST YOU AND HE IN THE CAR?

VICKIE: JESSIE. LITTLE JESSIE MISSKELLEY.

RIDGE: OKAY.

SUDBURY: HOW OLD IS JESSIE?

VICKIE: UM, 16 I BELIEVE. HE UM TOOK US TO IíM NOT REALLY NOT FAMILIAR IíM FROM SPRINGDALE SO IíM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA EVEN BUT TURRELL I WAS REALLY LOST

SUDBURY: OKAY.

VICKIE: UM, I DO KNOW WHERE KINDA WHERE HE WENT YOU KNOW WE TURNED OFF AND HIT A DIRT ROAD AND ABOUT BY SOME KIND OF WATER AND IN WOODS IN A FIELD AND BY THE TIME WE HAD GOTTEN THERE, IT HAD, IT WAS DARK. UM, IT WAS QUIT A DRIVE.

SUDBURY: COULD YOU FIND IT AGAIN?

VICKIE: YES SIR.

SUDBURY: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND WE WENT OUT, GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND IT YOU KNOW IT WAS JUST REALLY DARK ESPECIALLY OUT YOU KNOW IN THE WOOD IT WAS JUST DARK AN DI WAS SCARED A LITTLE BIT IN FACT BUT WE HELD HANDS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HOLD MY HAND AND KEEP TRYING TO COMFORT ME HE KNEW I WAS SCARED.

RIDGE: UM HUM.

VICKIE: AND UM HE TOLD ME IT WOULD BE OKAY YOU KOW NOT TO BE SCARED, DONíT WORRIED AND AH JESSIE WENT TO THE CROWD THEN YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS A CROWD OF KIDS.

RIDGE: YOU SAY A CROWD. HOW MANY KIDS?

VICKIE: PROBABLY, 10.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, YOU SAY KIDS HOW OLD WOULD YOU SAY THEIR AGE GROUP.

VICKIE: I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW JUST GUESSING I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NONE OF EM WERE OVER 18.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND HOW FAR AWAY FROM THEM ARE YOU?

VICKIE: UM ABOUT 15 FOOT.

RIDGE: AS CLOSE AS FROM HERE TO THAT DOOR FROM THEM.

VICKIE: NO, WE WERE FURTHER THAN THAT.

RIDGE: SO, ALRIGHT, DID YOU SEE THERE FACES? WHAT CONDITION WERE THEY IN?

VICKIE: THEY WERE PAINTED.

RIDGE: PAINTED. THEIR FACES?

VICKIE: BLACK. EVEN THEIR FACES WERE PAINTED.

RIDGE: HOW ABOUT THEIR BODIES?

VICKIE: WELL WHAT YOU COULD SEE OF THEIR BODIES WITHOUT THEIR WITH THEIR CLOTHES YOU KNOW WAS PAINTED THEIR ARMS WERE ARMS WERE PAINTED YOU KNOW THEY HAD ON JEANS SO

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. SO THIS GROUP PROGRESSED WHAT DID THEY DO AS THE THING PROGRESSED.

VICKIE: THEY STOOD AROUND AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE JUST TALKING AND STUFF AND DAMIEN AND I STOOD BACK AWAY FROM THEM WE NEVER WENT TO THE CROWD.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: UM WHEN 1 PERSON DID WALK UP AND TALK

RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT WAS?

VICKIE: SHAWN WEBB. ONLY BEACAUSE I HAVE SEEN HIM AROUND HOME.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND KNEW WHO HE WAS AND SO WHEN HE GOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO ME I COULD TELL WHO HE WAS HE TALKED WITH DAMIEN UM YOU KNOW JUST WHATíS UP YOU KNOW JUST BULL CRAP AND THEN WALKED BACK OVER AND THEN THESE KIDS TOOK THEIR CLOTHES OFF AND BEGAN TOUCHING EACH OTHER AND I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

RIDGE: ALL OF EM?

VICKIE: ALL OF EM. AT THE SAME TIME.

RIDGE: WHEN THEY TOOK THEIR CLOTHES OFF DID THEY PLACE THEM IN A SPOT OR DID THEY JUST THROW EM OR?

VICKIE: THEY JUST THREW EM DOWN.

RIDGE: THREW EM DOWN. OKAY. UNDERNEATH THE CLOTHES WERE THEY STILL PAINTED UP OR STUFF OR WAS THAT CLEAN?

VICKIE: THAT WAS CLEAN.

RIDGE: UNDER THE CLOTHING.

VICKIE: UNDER THE CLOTHES.

RIDGE: THEY APPARENTLY PUT THE PAINT OR WHAT EVER IT WAS ON THEIR SKIN WHILE THEY WERE STILL WEARING THEIR CLOTHING.

VICKIE: EXACTLY.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT AND AS THIS BEGIN HAPPENING WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

VICKIE: I LOOKED AT DAMIEN AND SAID I WANT TO LEAVE.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND WHAT DID HE SAY?

VICKIE: HE SAID OKAY.

RIDGE: HE DIDNíT TRY TO CONVENIENCE YOU TO STAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

VICKIE: NOT AT ALL.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: NOT AT ALL.

RIDGE: AND WHO ALL LEFT?

VICKIE: HE AND I.

RIDGE: DID JESSIE STAY?

VICKIE: JESSIE STAYED.

RIDGE: OKAY, AND THIS IS DARK.

VICKIE: THIS IS DARK.

RIDGE: WAS THERE A FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO HELP LIGHT THINGS UP.

VICKIE: NO.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND YOU SAID YOU COULD HEAR RUNNING WATER?

VICKIE: YOU COULD HEAR IT SOUNDED LIKE A YOU KNOW HOW WHEN WATER IS RUNNING FROM A DISTANCE OR YOU KNOW YOU COULD HEAR SOME WATER IT WAS JUST

RIDGE: BUT THERE WAS NO WATER RIGHT THERE?

VICKIE: I COULD SEE NO WATER.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER HE BRINGS YOU HOME?

VICKIE: AFTER HE BROUGHT ME HOME WE WENT INTO MY HOUSE AND YOU KNOW JUST SAT THERE AND TALKED AND STUFF AND HE NEVER MADE COMMENT ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING IT WAS LIKE IT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED

RIDGE: OKAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

VICKIE: HE WENT, HE LEFT, AND WENT HOME UM

RIDGE: WHAT DAY WAS THAT ON?

VICKIE: THAT WAS ON A WEDNESDAY.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, DO YOU KNOW THE DATE? WEDNESDAY THIS IS FRIDAY WAS IT THIS PAST WEDNESDAY?

VICKIE: NO THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE.

RIDGE: THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE. OKAY SO THAT WAS WEDNESDAY WHATíS THE NEXT DAY YOU HAVE ANY DEALING WITH HIM?

VICKIE: WHEN HE CAME OVER ON HE CALLED ME ON THURSDAY AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT THIS GIRL BEING PREGNANT.

RIDGE: OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS GIRL IS?

VICKIE: I DONíT KNOW AND HE WONíT TELL ME HER NAME.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. DID HE HAVE MANY GIRLFRIENDS?

VICKIE: HE HAS FIVE (5). THAT I KNOW OF.

RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW THEIR NAMES?

VICKIE: NO

RIDGE: OKAY. AND WHILE HEíS HAVING THESE PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU HEíS GOT ONE GIRL PREGNANT WHATíS THE CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION?

VICKIE: THAT HEíS GOT THIS GIRL PREGNANT AND YOU KNOW HEíS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF HER OR MAKE HER THINK HEíS THAT YOU KNOW HEíS FAITHFUL TO HER.

RIDGE: UM HUM.

VICKIE: AND SO AH THE WORD HAS GOTTEN OUT THAT I WAS SEEING HIM BECAUSE IíM A YOU KNOW AN OLDER WOMAN AND AND EVERY THING SO HE SAID WEíRE GOING TO HAVE TO KINDA COOL IT AND KEEP IT DOWN YOU KNOW AND SO I KINDA THOUGHT WELL GOD IíVE RUINED IT YOU KNOW SHEíS RUINED IT FOR ME AND IíM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE HIM ANYMORE. I THOUGHT HEíD JUST QUIT CALLING

RIDGE: UM HUM.

VICKIE: BUT HE CALLED ALL THE TIME WANTING ME KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT MEN ARE AT MY HOUSE. YOU KNOW AND JUST AND I DO HAVE A BOYFRIEND THAT I SEE ALL THE TIME AND AH SO HE YOU KNOW IS THERE QUITE OFTEN.

RIDGE: DOES THIS BOYFRIEND KNOW WHAT YOUíRE DOING WITH DAMIEN?

VICKIE: NO

RIDGE: OKAY. AH HAS ANYTHING HAPPENED WHILE THIS BOYFRIEND HAS BEEN THERE THAT STICKS OUT IN YOUR MIND?

VICKIE: NIGHT BEFORE LAST WE AH

RIDGE: THE NIGHT BEFORE LAST BEING ON WEDNESDAY?

VICKIE: WEDNESDAY.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND WHAT HAPPENS?

VICKIE: UM MY HOUSE WAS REALLY QUIET THAT THIS LAST WEDNESDAY. NOBODY CAME OVER OR ANYTHING JIME CAME OVER AFTER HE GOT OFF WORK AND IT WAS ABOUT 1:30 WHEN HE GOT OFF AND WE JUST SAT AND TALKED ON THE COUCH AND WATCHED A MOVIE IT WAS ABOUT 3:30 AND WE HEARD THIS BIG WHAM I MEAN IT SOUNDED REALLY HORRIBLE IT SCARED ME TO DEATH AND AH SO JIM GOT UP HE AND I BOTH GOT UP AND WENT TO MY DOOR AND WE LOOKED OUT FRONT UNDERNEATH UM MY WINDOW WERE I KEEP PLANTS I HAVE LIKE A REALLY THICK BOARD THATíS BEEN NAILED UP AND HAS SOME BOLTS UNDERNEATH IT AND THIS THING WAS BROKE COMPLETELY IN HALF.

RIDGE: OKDAY. YOU DONíT KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED?

VICKIE: NO ONE WAS AROUND.

RIDGE: OKAY. AH, YOU MENTIONED JIM. WHATíS JIMíS FULL NAME?

VICKIE: HIS NAME IS JIM THOMPSON. JAMES THOMPSON.

RIDGE: OKAY. WHERE DOES HE WORK?

VICKIE: POOLE TRUCK LINES.

RIDGE: OKAY. IS HE MARRIED?

VICKIE: NO.

RIDGE: OKAY. AH BUT HE DOESNíT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DAMIEN?

VICKIE: NO

RIDGE: DOES HE KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN SPENDING ANY OF YOUR TIME AT ALL?

VICKIE: NO.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND A AFTER THIS OCCURS DID YOU ASK DAMIEN ABOUT IT?

VICKIE: I ASKED DAMIEN HE CALLED ME LAST NIGHT I ASKED HIM UM WHAT DID YOU DO WEDNESDAY, HUNG OUT, I SAID YOU DIDNíT COME TO MY HOUSE DID YOU? HE SAID I KNOW YOU WERE WITH JIM THATíS ALL THAT MATTERS. AND THATíS IT. THAT WAS THE END OF IT.

RIDGE: DID HE SAY HE WAS JEALOUS OF THAT?

VICKIE: ARE YOU KIDDING, I MEAN YOU COULD TELL THAT HEíS MAD.

RIDGE: OH.

VICKIE: HE WAS VERY CALM BUT AGGRAVATED IS WHAT I WOULD CALL IT.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT, KNOW WHEN DID YOU BRING ARRON BACK TO YOUR HOUSE FROM FORT SMITH.

VICKIE: ARRON CAME BACK JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND ON AH SUNDAY WE DROVE DOWN AND PICKED HIM UP.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT AND ARRON HOW HAS HE BEEN SINCE HEíS BEEN BACK?

VICKIE: CONCERNED. IíM CONCERNED ABOUT AARON, YOU KNOW NOT DEALING WITH HIS FEELINGS.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: UM I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS JUST KEEPING IT BOTTLED ALL UP INSIDE YOU KNOW THAT HE HADNíT REALLY LET GO AND CRIED AND BROKE DOWN YOU KNOW GRIEVED OVER HIS FRIENDS BUT OTHER THAN THAT I YOU KNOW HEíS OKAY.

RIDGE: YOU HAVE INFORMED ME ABOUT A CONVERSATION CAME UP ABOUT A PENDANT?

VICKIE: DAMIEN AT ONE TIME AT MY HOUSE DROPPED A LITTLE PENDANT SILVER SKULL WITH SNAKES THROUGH THE EYES THROUGH THE HEAD.

RIDGE: WHERE DID HE DROP IT FROM?

VICKIE: IT WAS LAYING BY MY BATHROOM DOOR.

RIDGE: OKAY, WHAT I MEAN WAS THAT WAS WHERE DID HE WEAR IT WHEN HE HAD IT ON?

VICKIE: HE WORE IT IN ONE EAR.

RIDGE: AS AN EARRING?

VICKIE: UH HUH

RIDGE: OKAY. AND YOU SAID THAT AARON FOUND THAT PENDANT?

VICKIE: I HAD PICKED THE PENDANT UP AND PUT IT ON MY DRESSER IN MY BEDROOM

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND AARON FOUND IT AND HELD IT I SAW HIM HOLDING SOMETHING I WALKED IN THERE AND HE DIDNíT SAY ANYTHING HE JUST KEPT LOOKING AT IT AND HE ASKED ME COULD HE HAVE IT AND I SAID NO ARRON YOU KNOW I NEED THAT YOU CANíT HAVE IT HE THREW IT DOWN BACK ON THE DRESSER AND IT WASNíT EVEN TWENTY MINUTES AND HE WAS BACK IN THERE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.

RIDGE: OKAY. WHAT DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT THAT PENDANT?

VICKIE: HE HASNíT REALLY SAID ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT THE PENDANT.

RIDGE: OKAY. WHAT DID DAMIEN HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT PENDANT DID HE APPROACH YOU ABOUT THAT HE HAD LOST IT?

VICKIE: NOPE, HE TOLD ME THAT UM HE MADE MENTION THAT HE HAD LOST ONE OF EM.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: HE DID HAVE TWO BUT HE LOST ONE HE WAS GOING TO START WEARING IT.

RIDGE: DOES HE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE IT?

VICKIE: NO HE DOES NOT.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT AND ALRIGHT, YOU GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH ARRON I UNDERSTAND AND HE TELLS YOU ABOUT SOME TRIPS HEíS MADE TO ROBIN HOOD WOODS.

VICKIE: YES.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT HEíS TOLD YOU?

VICKIE: ARRON TOLD ME THAT UM HE AND MICHAEL AND CHRIS VISITED THEIR CLUB HOUSE EVERYDAY AND THEY ROAD THEIR BIKES AND THEY WERE SPYING ON 5 MEN AND AH I ASKED HIM WHO THEY WERE AND HE SAID I DONíT KNOW MOM WHO THEY WERE I JUST YOU KNOW WE JUST SPYING ON EM I SAID WHY WOULD YOU BE SPYING ON 5 MEN YOU KNOW AND HE SAID WELL THEY WERE THERE EVERYDAY SO WE WOULD WATCH THEM I SAID WHAT MADE YOU INTERESTED IN THEM HE SAID BECAUSE THEY PAINT THEMSELVES AND THEY HAVE DRAGON SHIRTS AND THEY TALK IN SPANISH AND I SAY ARRON THEY TALK IN SPANISH HOW DO YOU KNOW THATíS SPANISH I MEAN YOU DONíT KNOW SPANISH HE SAID WELL I DONíT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEYíRE SAYING. AND THEY SING BAD THINGS AND I SAID LIKE WHAT KIND OF BAD THINGS. MY FATHER BEING A PREACHER, ARRON HAS BEEN IN MY CHURCH QUIT OFTEN YOU KNOW AND

RIDGE: UM HUM,

VICKIE: HE SAID THEY SING ABOUT THE DEVIL AND YOU KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE DEVIL AND UM HE SAID I THINK THAT THEY LOVE THE DEVIL MORE THAN GOD MOM. AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW WHAT WHY DIDNíT YAWL LEAVE WHY DIDNíT YOU COME HOME, WERE YOU SCARED? THEY SAID NO WE HID THEY COULDNíT SEE US. OKAY AND AH I SAID SO YAWL WENT THERE EVERYDAY. HE SAID WE WENT THERE EVERYDAY BUT WOULDNíT GO ON FRIDAY AND I TOLD HIM WHY HOW DO YOU KNOW FRIDAY? AND HE SAID, WELL BECAUSE THATíS THE DAY BEFORE THE WEEKEND YOU KNOW THE LAST DAY OF SCHOOL AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS FRIDAY AND THEY DIDNíT COME AND AH, I SAID OKAY WHAT HAPPENED WHAT DID THEY DO AND HE SAID WELL WHEN THE FIRST SAW THEM YOU KNOW THEY SAT AROUND A FIRE IN A CIRCLE BY THIS TREE YOU KNOW HE MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW THEY DID THIS LIKE SEVERAL TIMES AND THEN THEYíD A SING A SONG AND THEN THEYíD YOU KNOW UM DANCE AROUND THE TREE THEN HE TOLD ME THAT THESE 5 MEN TOOK THEIR CLOTHES OFF AND AH I SAID ARRON YOU KNOW THAT THEY TOOK THEIR CLOTHES OFF WHY DIDNíT YOU LEAVE? AND HE SAID BECAUSE WE WERE SCARED, AND THEY WERE SCARED I GUESS OF GETTING CAUGHT THEN AND AH HE SAID MICHAEL KEPT TELLING ME THAT IT WAS AN INDIAN THING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND CHRIS SAID NO THEIR GETTING READY TO HAVE SEX. AND I TOLD AARON, ARRON DOESNíT KNOW ABOUT SEX AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND ALL THE BOOKS THAT YOUíVE SEEN UM HE SAID THAT THEY HAD THEIR PETERS IN EACH OTHERS BUTTS AND SAID THEY WATCHED.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT HE TOLD YOU THAT

VICKIE: YEAH.

RIDGE: AT YOUR HOUSE AFTER YOU WEíRE TALKING ABOUT THIS PENDANT?

VICKIE: WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT UM HE HAD TOLD BRAY OFFICER BRAY AND I THAT.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND I JUST GOT INTO DETAIL WITH HIM. WITH THE SEX THING.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. DID HE MENTION ANY OTHER ACTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE DONE?

VICKIE: HE

RIDGE: DID HE MENTION ANY KISSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING ON?

VICKIE: AH HE SAID I MEAN I TRIED REALLY HARD NOT TO PAY, I CANíT REALLY DEAL WITH IT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.

RIDGE: OKAY

VICKIE: I TRIED THINKING YOU KNOW HE NEEDS TO BE WITH HIS PHYSIOLOGIST AND LET HER DEAL WITH THIS AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT IT AND IíM TRYING REALLY NOT TO, YOU KNOW HE MAY HAVE TOLD ME SOME STUFF AND I JUST DONíT REMEMBER NOT TO REMEMBER.

RIDGE: OKAY.

SUDBURY: HAS YOUR SON EVER SEEN DAMIEN OVER AT YOUR HOUSE?

VICKIE: NO.

RIDGE: DOES DAMIEN KNOW YOUR SON?

VICKIE: I TOOK ALL THE PICTURES DOWN ARRON IN MY HOUSE AND SCOTT AS FAR AS I KNOW HE HAS NOT SEEN ARRON THROUGH ME.

RIDGE: OKAY. DID YOU ASK ARRON IF HE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOYS?

VICKIE: YEAH.

RIDGE: TO CHRIS AND MICHAEL?

VICKIE: YEAH.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: HE TOLD ME THAT UM THAT THOSE MEN KILLED EM. AND HE KNEW IT AND HE KNEW TO TAKE ME THERE AND SHOW ME.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND WE WENT THERE YESTERDAY?

VICKIE: YES.

RIDGE: THE PLACE WE WENT IS IN ROBIN HOOD WOODS DID HE SHOW YOU WHERE THE TREE STAND WAS OR THE TREE HOUSE WAS?

VICKIE: I THINK YEAH, HE I MEAN YEAH UM HE POINTED

RIDGE: AND THATíS THEY SAME PLACE

VICKIE: THATíS THE SAME PLACE I SAW

RIDGE: YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE?

VICKIE: YES.

RIDGE: SO YOU KNOW YOUR SON PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND WHAT HEíS TOLD YOU YOU KNOW IS THE TRUTH.

VICKIE: I KNOW HEíS TELLING THE TRUTH.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND IS THERE ANYWAY THAT ANYBODY COULD HAVE TOLD HIM THIS STORY AND HIM RELATE IT OR DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS TRUE?

VICKIE: I KEPT HIM SHIELDED

RIDGE: OKAY. NO ONE COULD HAVE TOLD

VICKIE: NO ONE COULD HAVE TOLD ANY FROM THE TIME CHRIS AND MICHAEL WERE KILLED I HAVENíT LET HIM GO FROM MY SIDE I KNOW WHERE HEíS AT.

RIDGE: OKAY. HAD YOU KNOWN EXACTLY WHERE THEY BOYS WERE FOUND?

VICKIE: NO. NOT EXACTLY.

RIDGE? OKAY. UP UNTIL YESTERDAY AND EVEN YESTERDAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY BODYíS WERE FOUND AFTER BEING IN THAT AREA YESTERDAY?

VICKIE: NO. I DONíT KNOW EXACTLY I MEAN I KNOW THEY WERE DOWN IN THE WATER I DONíT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE.

RIDGE: UP UNTIL THEN YOU DIDNíT KNOW WHERE THEY WERE FOUND?

VICKIE: NO I DID NOT.

RIDGE: OKAY. BUT YOU KNEW WHERE THE TREE HOUSE WAS,

VICKIE: I KNEW WHERE THE TREE HOUSE THATíS AS FAR AS IíVE EVER WENT.

SUDBURY: HOW DID YOUR SON USUALLY GO INTO THE WOODS?

VICKIE: AT THE DEAD END STREET ON MCAULEY.

SUDBURY: OKAY. THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE CAME IN ON THE OTHER SIDE BY THE INTERSTATE.

VICKIE: OH NO NOT BY THE INTERSTATE

SUDBURY: OKAY.

VICKIE: I HOPE NOT. I DONíT KNOW FOR SURE BUT I HOPE NOT.

SUDBURY: DID YOUR SON SHOW YOU THE CROSS OVER PIPE WHERE THEY WENT INTO THE WOODS?

VICKIE: YEAH, THATíS THATíS HE MADE A COMMENT YESTERDAY THAT HE PUSHED HIS BIKE ACROSS THE PIPE.

SUDBURY: OKAY.

RIDGE: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ACROSS THAT PIPE YOURSELF?

VICKIE: NO. IíM NOT BIG ON HEIGHTS.

RIDGE:WELL HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT THE TREE STAND WAS WHERE IT WAS?

VICKIE: YOU COULD SEE YOU KNOW YOU COULD SEE YOU CAN GET CLOSE ENOUGH IF YOU GO JUST TO THE PIPE. YOU COULD HAVE SEEN IT REAL WELL. BUT EVEN CLOSE TO THE DEAD-END IF YOU JUST WALK UP INTO THE WOODS JUST A LITTLE BIT INTO THE FIELD

RIDGE: UM HUM.

VICKIE: YOU COULD SEE PARTS OF IT STICKING OUT.

RIDGE: YOU COULD SEE IT?

VICKIE: YES YOU COULD.

RIDGE: DID YOU EVER SEE THE BOYS UP IN THE TREE STAND?

VICKIE: I SEEN MY SON UP THERE.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO ADD TO THIS INTERVIEW ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT?

VICKIE: UM, JESSIE MISSKELLEY HAD TOLD ARRON THAT UM HE BOYS KILLER HAD BEEN FOUND. AND AH ARRON WAS ESTATIC OVER IT. HE WAS VERY HAPPY.

RIDGE: OKAY.

VICKIE: AND

RIDGE: LATER HE FOUND AT THAT WASNíT TRUE.

VICKIE: YEAH, AND WHATíS WAS WHATíS REALLY WEIRD IS THAT HE SAID YOU KNOW EXACTLY THAT IT WAS A SATANISTIC GROUP, NAMELY THE DRAGONS.

RIDGE: OKAY. ALRIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT A CONVERSATION THAT ONE OF THESE BOYS MAY HAVE HAD WITH SOMEBODY?

VICKIE: A LITTLE GIRL THAT COMES TO MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

RIDGE: WHATíS HER NAME?

VICKIE: HER NAME IS JENNIFER. SISSY IS WHAT WE CALL HER ACTUALITY.

RIDGE: OKAY. WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU?

VICKIE: SHE TOLD ME THAT A FRIEND OF HERS, WHITNEY WHOíS I GUESS IS IN HER GRADE AT SCHOOL. THEY GO TO MARION.

RIDGE: HOW OLD IS SHE?

VICKIE: I GUESS ABOUT 15.

RIDGE: JENNIFERíS 15?

VICKIE: UM HUM.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT.

VICKIE: SHE SAID THAT AH ROBERT BURKS SAID HAD TOLD THIS LITTLE WHITNEY GIRL THAT AH HE HAD KILLED THE 3 BOYS AND THAT IF SHE OPENED HER MOUTH OR SAID ANYTHING SHE WOULD BE NEXT, AND SO

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. THIS GROUP OF BOYS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH DAMIEN DO YOU KNOW THE GROUP THATíS IN THIS SATAN WORSHIPPING GROUP WITH HIM?

VICKIE: NO. I MEAN I CANíT NAME THEM I CAN I DO KNOW HIS FRIENDS SOME OF EM.

RIDGE: ALRIGHT. NAME SOME OF HIS FRIENDS.

VICKIE: HE HAD A FRIEND THEY CALLED SPIDER WHICH IS SHAWN WEBB THEY CALL HIM RED. UM THEREíS A GUY HE CALLS LUCY BUT EVERYONE ELSE CALLS LUCIFER. AND ROBERT BURKS, JASON, SOME LITTLE BOY NAMED JASON, I DONíT KNOW HIS NAME HE LIVES IN LAKESHORE, AND JESSIE MISSKELLEY.

RIDGE: ANY GIRLS?

VICKIE: THERE ARE GIRLS BUT I DONíT KNOW THEM.

RIDGE: THE ONE YOU CALL JASON, HOW OLD IS HE?

VICKIE: PROBABLY 15.

RIDGE: OKAY. HOW TALL IS HE?

VICKIE: HEíS, IíVE NEVER SEEN HIM.

RIDGE: NEVER SEEN HIM. OKAY. AH LUCY OR LUCIFER

VICKIE: UM HUM,

RIDGE: HOW OLD IS HE?

VICKIE: HEíS AN OLDER GUY HEíS, HEíS PROBABLY CLOSER TO MY AGE, THIRTY.

RIDGE: OKAY. AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE HIM?

VICKIE: HEíS AH I HAVENíT REALLY BEEN REAL UP CLOSE WITH HIM YOU KNOW IíVE SEEN HIM IN A CAR, UM, HEíS GOT BROWNISH HAIR AND HE DOES HAVE A BIG NOSE.

RIDGE: A BIG NOSE.

VICKIE: UM HUM. I DONíT KNOW

GITCHELL: DOES HE WEAR GLASSES?

VICKIE: I BELIEVE HE HAD GLASSES ON.

GITCHELL: YOU SAID YOU SAW HIM IN A CAR CAR, WHAT KIND OF CAR WAS THAT?

VICKIE: AN OLD BEAT UP LIKE AN IMPALA OR CAPRICE

GITCHELL: DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT COLOR?

VICKIE: IT LOOKED LIKE UM AH PRIMER COLOR. YOU KNOW LIKE THEY WERE GONNA PAINT IT.

RIDGE: WHEN DID YOU SEE HIM?

VICKIE: AT LAKESHORE STORE ABOUT WHEN I PICKED UP DAMIEN FROM JASONíS HOUSE THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY BACK AND THATíS ABOUT THE SECOND TIME I EVER WAS AROUND DAMIEN.

SUDBURY: DID YOU NOTICE WHAT COLOR THE INTERIOR OF HIS CAR WAS?

VICKIE: WELL THE DOORS WERE SHUT. SO WE TALKED THROUGH

RIDGE: WAS ANYBODY IN THE VEHICLE WITH

VICKIE: I THINK UM HUM, THERE WERE FOUR (4) PEOPLE IN THERE.

RIDGE: GROWN-UPS, KIDS?

VICKIE: I REALLY DIDNíT WOULDNíT PAYING ANY ATTENTION. WELL I MEAN YOU KNOW WHEN THEY CALLED HIM BY NAME JESSIE MISSKELLEY WHO GOES WITH ME TO GET DAMIEN AND STUFF HE SAID THATíS LUCIFER AND THEN YOU KNOW IíM LIKE YOU KNOW OKAY YOU KNOW THAT WAS JUST LIKE A FRIEND OF HIS BUT, WHEN DAMIEN ALWAYS SAYS LUCY HE DONíT EVER CALL HIM LUCIFER.

RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW WHERE LUCY LIVES?

VICKIE: UH HUH.

RIDGE: OKAY. DID HE HAVE A BEARD A MUSTACHE ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

VICKIE: NOT THAT I RECALL.

RIDGE: BUT, HEíS GOT A BIG NOSE THAT STICKS OUT.

VICKIE: YEAH. BECAUSE I

SUDBURY: DOES HE HAVE ANY PARTICULARS LIKE A GUY LIKED WORK IN A GAS STATION THAT KIND OF A UNIFORM SHIRT OR ANYTHING ON?

VICKIE: I REALLY DONíT KNOW.

SUDBURY: OKAY.

RIDGE: AN KIND OF TATTOOS THAT YOU COULD SEE? OKAY. WHAT ABOUT DAMIEN DOES HE GOT ANY KIND OF TATTOOS?

VICKIE: DAMIEN HAS HIS NAME WRITTEN DOWN HIS ARM. HE HAS A ASTAM OF SATAN ON THE BACK OF HIS HANDS. UM I HAVENíT SEEN HIM WITH HIS SHIRT OFF SO I DONíT REALLY KNOW WHATíS TATS HIS UPPER ARMS HAS ON IT. I MEAN

RIDGE: DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THE OTHER BOYS, SHAWN WEBB

VICKIE: WEBB HAS A SPIDER WEB

RIDGE: ON HIS ELBOW?

VICKIE: ON HIS ELBOW.

RIDGE: IS IT HIS LEFT ELBOW?

VICKIE: I BELIEVE, I DONíT KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT I DO THAT BECAUSE I ASKED WHY THEY CALLED HIM SPIDER.

RIDGE: OKAY. AH WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED BY DAMIEN THAT HE ASKED YOU OR THINKS YOU SHOULD GET A TATTOO?

VICKIE: HE THINKS THAT IT UM IT WOULD BE COOL IF I GOT A TATTOO OF A SPIDER WEB WITH A BLACK WIDOW IN IT. YOU KNOW

RIDGE: WHERE DOES HE THINK THAT TATTOO SHOULD BE?

VICKIE: I GUESS ON MY ANKLE, OR YOU KNOW, I DONíT GUESS HE CARES WERE ITíS AT. BUT IT WAS THE BLACK WIDOW THAT WAS THE BIG THING. TO GET THE BLACK WIDOW.

RIDGE: WHAT WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?

VICKIE: THE BLACK WIDOW SPIDER YOU KNOW IS LIKE YOU KNOW IS EVIL WICKED KINDA THING.

RIDGE: OKAY, IS THERE ANYTHING WE HAVENíT COVERED IN THIS INTERVIEW WHICH YOU THINK OUGHT TO BE KNOWN?

VICKIE: THATíS ABOUT IT. THATíS I KNOW

RIDGE: OKAY. LUCIFER, SPIDER, SNAKE YOU KNOW SNAKE HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM.

VICKIE: I DONíT I THINK THAT I SAW HIM, I THINK THAT REFERENCING BUT THERE WAS QUITE A FEW AROUND AND THIS BOY DIDNíT LIKE WALK UP OR ANSWER OR ANYTHING. BUT I THINK YOU KNOW HE WAS A LITTLE SHORTER GUY, AND AH

RIDGE: HOW OLD WAS HE?

VICKIE: ABOUT 18, HE WAS A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN JESSIE AND THEM.

RIDGE: WHAT COLOR HAIR?

VICKIE: HE HAD UM BLONDISH HAIR, LIGHTER THAN

RIDGE: ALRIGHT, ANY TATOOS ON HIM THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER?

VICKIE: THEY ALL HAD THAT FTW STUFF.

RIDGE: WHATíS THAT FTW STUFF?

VICKIE: FUCK THE WORLD.

RIDGE: OKAY. THATíS WHAT THEY TOLD YOU IT STANDS FOR.

VICKIE: UM HUM, JESSIE MISSKELLEY TOLD ME THAT, HE WROTE IT ON MY CHILD.

RIDGE: HE WROTE THE WORDS?

VICKIE: FTW ON AARON.

RIDGE: WHEN DID HE DO THAT?

VICKIE: BEFORE ARRON LEFT TO GO TO FORT SMITH AND HE HAD WROTE THAT ON HIM AND ARRON WAS REAL PROUD OF IT AND HE SHOWED IT TO ME AND YOU KNOW I GOT OVER JESSIE FOR IT AND I SAID WHAT IN THE CRAP DOES THAT STAND FOR AND HE SAID FUCK THE WORLD.

RIDGE: OKAY.

GITCHELL: IF JESSIE KNOWS YOUíVE GOT A SON THEN MORE THAN LIKELY DAMIEN PROBABLY KNOWS ALSO

VICKIE: DAMIEN DOES KNOWS I HAVE CHILDREN BUT HE THINKS THEIR WITH MY HUSBAND IN UM WEST VIRGINIA.

GITCHELL: IS THAT WERE HEíS AT?

VICKIE: NO, DAVIDíS IN FAYETTEVILLE

GITCHELL: OKAY.

RIDGE: YOU TOLD HIM HE WAS IN WEST VIRGINIA

VICKIE: HE WAS IN WEST VIRGINIA I TOLD JESSIE THE SAME THING.

RIDGE: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADD IíM GOING TO CONCLUDE THIS INTERVIEW THE TIME IS 11:53.